This discussion reminds me why I am not tempted by German luxury sedans, new or used. Nice to drive. Nice to look at. Value ravaged by depreciation each and every day.
Not a problem if you buy them after the depreciation has reached rock-bottom and fix them up. This was my thing over a decade ago: http://www.armchair.mb.ca/~dave/525i/This discussion reminds me why I am not tempted by German luxury sedans, new or used. Nice to drive. Nice to look at. Value ravaged by depreciation each and every day.
Oh, sorry. Yes, I don't get the multiple-systems-in-a-room thing either.
Especially with a small room, I would prefer Joe's approach leveraging the best gear for both functions in one system. Having lots of unused speakers also creates undesirable passive output as well.What is not to get?
Yeah, but if you can truly afford it (as opposed to simply able to cover the payments) would it matter all that much?
I know it doesn't to my wealthy Aunt that goes through cars like Mercedes AMGs and Bentleys.
Not a problem if you buy them after the depreciation has reached rock-bottom and fix them up. This was my thing over a decade ago: http://www.armchair.mb.ca/~dave/525i/
When I got tired of BMWs, I got a Toyota Landcruiser and a Honda motorcycle, which are every bit as much fun as the BMWs but in a different way.
Mine was not a social comment. It was a personal choice which happily is not dictated by monetary constraint. In fact. the world is better off with diversity which by definition includes appreciation for the wealthy and their spending habits.
Looping this back on topic, do I think buyers of ultra-highend AVR receivers are foolish for taking the massive depreciation? Nope. The many interesting and awesome TOTL AVR units would not exist if not for these consumers.
I don't care what people buy either, so the social comment spin is nothingness.
But, if depreciation is a foremost concern then the point is you're probably barking up the wrong tree no matter what the item happens to be.
Re-stated in simpler terms, I am making a choice as a consumer but I appreciate what others choose.
No, they are equally susceptible to industry standard changes. The difference is you don't have to replace the amplifier every time.
I have updated an earlier Emotiva processor to a new version - and got a significant credit towards its purchase. Amp? Why change it?
Not nearly as fancy - the UMC200 for which I paid a bit over $400 including a discount having upgraded from a UMC-1.XMC-1 ?
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I've owned more ubers but these are the only ones I could find the pictures of, I paid under $300 for all of them with the exception of the Pioneer elite sc 09 which set me back $500 ($7k retail) and interestingly enough was the worst sounding for 2ch. All have been well worth the price per performance for second hand purchase and 2 of them went head to head with my Krell 300i I had at the time with one sounding better to my ears (The B&K 507s2). The Yamaha RXZ 1 (paid $70, retail $2800) has outstanding amps and does excellent for 2ch listening and does its job perfectly as my home theater rig. I use my oppo udp 203 to run the show with the yamaha providing the power only no processing. 2ch listening is done with my Aragon 4004 MKII. The point is to get a second hand Totl Uber for a low price is definitely worth it imo over getting the latest and greatest receiver today, for one the ubers were made like tanks to last and second they generally have excellent amps that put out real stated watts unlike alot of the misleading receivers today. If you don't mind setting up rcas from your blue ray to the multichannel Inputs on the receiver (which in my opinion sounds much better than hdmi) then it is worth the hassle to set up this way because it's much cheaper to change out a blue ray player than to keep buying new receivers or even more expensive Seperate home theater pre pros.
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Sounds like quite the unit. I have one of the much cheaper modern Sherwood receivers (I think it retailed for under $100) and I've been nothing but impressed. Doesn't have many features but 100wpc and sounds quite nice considering.I agree they are terrible investments but only if you suffer from upgradeitis. As long as you're not hung up on having the latest and greatest then they CAN be very sonically pleasing and long lasting. That said I only have one but I do like it a lot. A sherwood newcastle R965.
The thing about it is the stigma of "poor two channel performance" from TOTL AVRs is one of those audiophile snobbery things that persists today and is essentially untrue.