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Tom,

Here's a quote I found which also contradicts your statement that our forces did not use rifles at Cowpens.

I’ve acknowledged that some militia were armed with rifles, I was addressing your statement that the American regulars, the Continentals, used them.

Morgan’s genius was in giving the militia permission to run away after they’d fired a shot or two. He knew they were going to run anyway and knowing they could run away they were steady for a short time and having run before being terrified they hung around the edge of the battle and were able to rally and rejoin the fight—most of the time when militia broke they fled pell mell.

The British had great tactical success against us during the American War using bold, aggressive tactics. They put to use the lessons learned fighting the French and the Indians in the Seven Years War and Pontiac’s War and fought in a open order 2 ranks deep with a yard or even two between files. These open formations moved quickly and fluidly on the battlefield but had less firepower than tight formations of 3 ranks. Thus the British put an emphasis on the shock power of the bayonet. An American unit encountering a British one would receive fire from the British light infantry acting as skirmishers and then be immediately attacked by the British main line, moving at a jog, not stopping to fire but pressing in quickly and relentlessly to use the bayonet. These tactics usually saw the Americans off, indeed sometimes the skirmishing screen of “light Bobs”, men chosen for their intelligence and aggression, would see the Americans off before the main line was engaged. Note that British regulars in America often cut their coats down into shell jackets, cropped their hair short, wore their hats slouched and carried hatchets and tomahawks. They were skilled at skirmishing, fighting in broken and wooded country and at flanking and bushwhacking. Not at all like our national mythology of the clumsy, overburdened Redcoat.

This worked well for a long no time but the danger was that as the American regulars gained in discipline, skill and morale this aggression could be turned against them. And that’s just what Morgan did, using his militia to set the trap and “ambushing” the British with his regulars, regulars who were finally able to stand toe to toe against the British regulars. Morgan also used his cavalry well, something rare in our history as Americans throughout our history were usually pretty mediocre cavalry and not up to European standards. I think during the gun powder age the best cavalry in the world were the Poles.
 
"The Battle of Cowpens" by William Ranney hangs in the S.C. Senate Chamber. I see it everyday as I work there. The man on the white horse is Col. William Washington a cousin of George Washington and commander of our cavalry at Cowpens. He's engaged with Col. Tarleton known in S.C. as the butcher. The villain in "The Patriot" movie is based on Tarleton's savagery in the Carolina's. Search the meaning of "Tarleton's Quarter". This treasured painting is one of the few to portray an African American in combat during the Revolution. Many believe this 14 yr old bugler to be the real hero as he is credited with saving the life of Col. Washington.

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"The Battle of Cowpens" by William Ranney hangs in the S.C. Senate Chamber...

Yes, I’m familiar with that painting, I first saw it reproduced it a kid’s history book by American Heritage that I had in the 1950s.

Have you been to the NPS park at Ninety Six? It’s a little gem.
 
Been to Ninety Six several times and to the historic Star Fort.

Many old settlements and areas in S.C. used distances in their name such as Nine Times, Three and Twenty, Six Mile and Twelve Mile River. It was thought ( mistakenly so ) that Ninety Six was 96 miles

from Keowee, which at one time was the largest Cherokee Nation on our continent. Before the Keowee lands were flooded in the 1970's my father participated in the archaeological digs there. Still today

farmers uncover cannon balls fired from Fort Prince George.

https://patch.com/south-carolina/easley/fort-prince-george-is-missing-link-in-sc-s-history

You could spend months in South Carolina and still not see half it's historic sites. FWIW Historic Charleston is our country's number one

tourist destination city, surpassing SF several years ago.
 
While off topic, I found these two fairly recent books very enlightening on the British view of and reaction to our rebellion against Britain. “With Zeal...” debunks the American myth that the British army failed to adapt to conditions in North America and “The Men..” studies the political, logistical and strategic elements from the British point of view.

https://www.amazon.com/Zeal-Bayonet...7&sr=1-1&keywords=with+zeal+and+bayonets+only


https://www.amazon.com/America-Walp...3005&sr=1-1&keywords=the+men+who+lost+america

Thanks for this...I've read a lot of history surrounding the Revolutionary war, but not these. I ordered up "With Zeal and Bayonets Only" last week and started in yesterday. Interesting perspective. I will probably get the other one soon.
 
While off topic, I found these two fairly recent books very enlightening on the British view of and reaction to our rebellion against Britain. “With Zeal...” debunks the American myth that the British army failed to adapt to conditions in North America and “The Men..” studies the political, logistical and strategic elements from the British point of view.

https://www.amazon.com/Zeal-Bayonet...7&sr=1-1&keywords=with+zeal+and+bayonets+only


https://www.amazon.com/America-Walp...3005&sr=1-1&keywords=the+men+who+lost+america

I have an original (2) volume set that chronicles every battle from the 1700s up to ~1860. The first volume is nearly all about the Revolution and details (in great detail) how the British dealt with insurgency. With zeal is correct as were the Green Dragoons depicted in The Patriot. The British were bloody and a favorite tactic was the midnight bayonet attack on a family. One only needed to be suspected of sedition to be visited. A squad would break into a dwelling and bayonet anyone inside including infants in the crib. The point was to instill that anyone associated with the rebellion would be put down in this way. It did not matter if you were innocent as mistakes would be made to insure order. Over time it had the opposite effect and if anything rallied more to the rebellion than against it.

Another war, similar issue, was King Philip's War (1600s in New England). When King Philip (Metacomet) began to push back against the colonials some of his men massacred a family and chopped them up, hanging their parts in the trees. To these men it was the most horrifying thing that could happen to anyone and should have scared the daylights out of them. If they were natives that is. Fatal flaw, they did not understand who they were fighting and the colonials got serious. Ultimately this was the result -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Swamp_Fight
 
MY Army MOS was automatic weapons and I qualified on these bad boys. The Quad 50's were used for air defense during WWII but in Nam they were strictly anti-personnel.

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There's a Vietnam gun truck named that in the Virginia Museum of Transportation. Never heard of these things before that visit -

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In front of the Virginia War Museum there is an atomic cannon. Virginia has great museums!

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12” seacoast mortars at Fort DeSoto at the entrance to Tampa Bay. These were designed to pierce the decks of armored warships. These are the only guns of their type in the United States still in their original emplacements, most were scrapped during WW II. The pits originally held 4 mortars but the crews got in each other’s way and it was found 2 guns could deliver more fire than 4. Guns like this were used in combat in WW II to defend Manila Bay from the Japanese.

The fortifications are called Endicott fortifications and were built of earth and reinforced concrete and designed to both mount and resist modern artillery, modern meaning steel barreled breech loading guns firing high explosive shells with smokeless propellant. These concrete Endicott and Taft fortifications still exist at most of the major harbors and river inlets of the United States—Puget Sound, San Francisco, the mouth of the Columbia, Mobile Bay, Pensacola, Tampa Bay, Savannah, Charleston, the Potomac below Washington DC, the Delaware below Philadelphia, New York City, Boston, Portsmouth, Portland (Maine of course) and various other places.

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Another Endicott work; a 6” rifle on a disappearing mount at Fort Pickens at Pensacola. In the background is a fire control tower and barely seen in the brush at far left a 5” rifle in an armored shield.

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