Nice, so now I am a Yak herder. Gone from a petunia to a Yak herder
I'll leave that sort of thing for the musical scholars or groupies.
I just listen to what I like..
There are some however who don't wish to perform live, or have the time to tour and I would suspect that they will have a tougher go of it in this day and age.
Tell you what. I'll admit to that if you will admit to having a slight passive aggressiveness in your thread dealings..persecution complex? I can help you with that! Just lighten up, no one is out to get anyone.
So you can rip that apart too?and that is?????
honest, we are all curious now, alternative dance?
Tell you what. I'll admit to that if you will admit to having a slight passive aggressiveness in your thread dealings..
I think you need to start using a shitload more smileys, cuz it aint coming across as lightheartedness..@Alobar
I hope you are laughing at my posts. That is what they were posted for.
Well, that and the significant knowledge intertwined.
So you can rip that apart too?
Like the subject of politics, with me I am all over the map, as with music I am damned hard to pin down. I can say I like some Jazz a lot, but as a rule I don't like Jazz. Pop, I like some, but anything with zero creativity bores me. Rock, particularly "classic" rock also can bore me. I like some of nearly every genre, but I can't say there is one where I like everything about it.now tell us you damned preferred genres!!!!!!!
Like the subject of politics, with me I am all over the map, as with with music I am damned hard to pin down. I can say I like some Jazz a lot, but as a rule I don't like Jazz. Pop, I like some, but anything with zero creativity bores me. Rock, particularly "classic" rock i also bores me. I like some of nearly every genre, but I can't say there is one where I like everything about it.
Basically I can't be pigeonholed..
While our Echos have the same name, my sweet Alexa obviously likes me more than your Alexa likes you. She will even play The Allman Brothers Band on demand,yeah, I know, I have one. I don't use it as a "music speaker" and would never think of it as such... hence my question with the obvious to you answer.
It does talk so yeah, technically it is a speaker.
This is another "some" post I guess.
What I really do is get in fights with her all the time. Then she tells me something like, "we will not get anywhere this way" and won't answer me for a few minutes. Nothing worse than a temperamental machine.
She knows I don't respect her. What good is a shopping list that I then have to write down? She refuses to sync with my Microsoft account so we fight about that all the time too. I am about to heave her.
This morning I told her I was gonna replace her with a younger, updated model, the Show.
You can imagine what ensued.
She did tell me one thing a while back that gave me pause. She told me:
Years ago my mother used to say to me, she'd say, "In this world, Elwood, you must be" - she always called me Elwood - "In this world, Elwood, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant." Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me.
Her name is Alexa not Elwood so I knew she was bullsh&ing me about her mom telling her but none the less I felt there was wisdom in her utterance.
I think I learned I am not all that educable at 60.
I have been principally into classical only 2 1/2 years. Rock had it's place, I just progressed too late. After alternative would have been the perfect time for me to move to classical.
Nice, so now I am a Yak herder. Gone from a petunia to a Yak herder ...
Alright, I never claimed to be a god damned GD authority first of all. I do know a little about them, and I have some albums too. It is common knowledge simply because of the shear enormity of their band. The Grateful Dead wasn't brought up by me in this thread at all really. I just initially responded that as an example they may not be typical of most musicians in any real respect. Then the name droppers came along, trashing me because I didn't know so n so. Actually I tend to more often just listen to the music and not concern myself with the band members, who they played with, their birthdays, or whatever. I'll leave that sort of thing for the musical scholars or groupies. ...
I have known the Allman Brothers, I know some of their music, but I never developed a great taste for that sort of "southern rock". Same with Skynard, Black Oak Arkansas etc. Ain't my thing.. Do I know all the band members names, who played with who and when by heart? No. I don't care to have that knowledge be a priority. I can just google it if I really need to know that particular bass player's name..Jesus, I didn't say you were claiming to be a Dead authority, just that you knew about them but not ABB or the others.
You are what you are..And...are you calling me a scholar or a groupie? I've kinda been both at some point in time, so choose wisely.
First, I'm not sure where this ".001" came from. I posted earlier that the per stream royalty rate for subscription on-demand hovers between $.0045 and $.0065. Meeting middle that would be $5,000 not $1,000.So if you are still good with. 001 dollars per, then 1 million streams is 1,000 dollars, a tidy sum for the year for the starving artist I guess. Pizzas and cheap beer for the band after practice
At 1 million CDs sold you're talking about a Platinum artist/band. And just for the equivalency record,1 stream does not equal 1 CD.Let's say a group of 4 members instead of receiving a million streams sold a million CDs and the artist cut was 50 cents per cd. That's a half million dollars.
It's a chore indeed. And I'm trying to help you & others lurking gain a clearer understanding.I still find I'm having difficulty understanding how this works..
Hopefully here's where you and others will see the power of decimals in correct places with real market figures. The number of streams (@ $.005 per) required to equal the wholesale price of a $10 CD is 1,500 streams.Now how many streams would it take to equal the cd cut? I came up with half a billion streams.
Again, the latest figures indicate that "we" did not spend far more per month on CDs back in the "bad old days". To repeat some earlier revenue numbers, the average causal consumer spent $28/yr. The ardent music junkie spent $64/yr. Today, ardent fans as well as casual listeners (100+ million and growing on-demand subscribers) are spending between $90 and $120/yr. It's better for artists presently because they have a great additional opportunity to have exponentially more people play/pay for more of their music.I'm trying to wrap my head around these numbers and how it is that when listeners are getting vastly more music today that is virtually free to them, and then compare it to when we actually bought the music and spent far more per month on a few cds, how is it better today for anyone but the listener?
Arguably, much of the best music in history was produced when an artist was hungry. An age old axiom says that if you do what you love..and you do it very well, the money will take care of itself. That's not to be taken as me simply blowing off the issues artists face, just a positive outlook with a pinch of perspective.Not until there is no more good music to listen to! That tends to happen when artists no longer can feed themselves.
They should be actively doing both!My impression is they are selling their CD's because it is better money for them than to ask for us to support them streaming.
I'm getting closer!So in fairness, you're summation here is off by 80% .
No, but if I was going to buy that song, I would likely be getting the CD (or LP) unless we go all the way back to 45 rpm.. I think this cuts both ways. Sure you can't compare one song streamed to a CD, but we tended to buy 10 or 20 songs back pre internet instead of streaming one or 2 like I suspect many do.And just for the equivalency record,1 stream does not equal 1 CD.
It's a chore indeed. And I'm trying to help you & others lurking gain a clearer understanding.
This is where I disagree. No body is going to stream enough times for them to equal what they will sell us a CD for. Keep in mind at their show they are in effect cutting out at least one and perhaps more middlemen when they sell direct to us. Why would they want us to stream it at .0045 bucks a stream when they could sell us a CD for 10 or more bucks and perhaps half of that is money in their pocket?They should be actively doing both!
All this calculated with inflation factors? $28 a year would have only bought 3 or 4 lp's or CD's. That seems pretty low to me and considering that there was roughly 2 trillion dollars spent on CD's alone in its first 25 years.. Maybe if you are adding every man, woman and child but you said causal listeners. They would be very casual indeed if all they bought a year were 3 CD's..Again, the latest figures indicate that "we" did not spend far more per month on CDs back in the "bad old days". To repeat some earlier revenue numbers, the average causal consumer spent $28/yr. The ardent music junkie spent $64/yr. Today, ardent fans as well as casual listeners (100+ million and growing on-demand subscribers) are spending between $90 and $120/yr. It's better for artists presently because they have a great additional opportunity to have exponentially more people play/pay for more of their music.
At 1 million CDs sold you're talking about a Platinum artist/band. And just for the equivalency record,1 stream does not equal 1 CD.
Random factoid -- what's a mega streaming star?
In 2016 Drake's Views project alone racked up 2,874,424,661 streams and it continues flow through 2017 and beyond.