and will give me more money for tonearms and cartridges.
Thats not a bad thing at all, as that's 80% of your SQ form a table....Oh and we can help you spend money there too.
and will give me more money for tonearms and cartridges.
Hah. I will now have to sell everything (except the Lenco) before I can spend too much more. I do have a tonearm kicking about though it is an average Denon one.Thats not a bad thing at all, as that's 80% of your SQ form a table....Oh and we can help you spend money there too.
Hah. I will now have to sell everything (except the Lenco) before I can spend too much more. I do have a tonearm kicking about though it is an average Denon one.
As always. You are a wealth of information. Thankyou. I might settle for a Moldova plinth to start with. See where we go from there. That is a great thing about this drive. You can do literally anything.
There is an awful lot of conjecture over what is best isn't there. An example. I have a Pioneer PL-300X that I bought new in the early 1980s. It's always performed well and, to my ears, sounds pretty good. Out of interest I looked for reviews on it. 'Very ordinary- waste of time - don't spend any time on it' etc. was the general response. I then looked for reviews on the PL-400 and got ' Decent turntable - well worth having'. Apart from the automatic functions they are the same machine. Same suspension system, same motor, same tone arm. The Pioneer Pl-L1000 linear tracker is said to be 'A master in it's class'. It uses the same chassis suspension system and basic motor design and control ICs as my PL-300. O.K. none of these machines have anything resembling wood on them, but because they are all built on suspended steel chassis systems, the plastic casings have little bearing on how they perform. In fact, you can (with a bit of care) actually run them without the plastic casings fitted.
Yes I have to be honest - something like a Mitchell Gyrodeck (which I always loved the look of) is a much higher quality machine than I own - but I think that quite a few of the 80s Japanese decks (pioneers, technics, JVCs etc) are actually a lot better than people think they are. The engineers were very clever and really put some thought into their designs. I think you have to spend a lot of money to buy a new turntable to match them (even though they are 40+ years old).
I saw that. It looks cool. I'm not sure if the 75 will fit the same way as the 5000 etc.Speaking of that. This is kind of cool.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Plinth-for...122128?hash=item3d5a9b2550:g:EkoAAOSwjIVagfrZ
Regards
Mister Pig
My 2017 audio resolution was to acquire a TT that kept a steady speed. I ended up with a Technics SP-25, and was surprised one day to hear a lot of notes slightly off pitch. Surprised enough to get up off my butt and observe that the record was significantly off-center. A chain is as strong as its weakest link.Thank you for explaining the string drive. Wasn't aware of that, and did wonder how the belt was so very thin.
As for someone calling that "expressiveness" I would have to say it would drive me crazy. My records I own that are off-center, even a little, destroy the listening experience for me.
Can't help it, perfect pitch can be a pita.
Hey, wow & flutter are the anti-Autotune! And the anti-drum-machine too!Musicians call it rubato — "expressive freedom by a slight speeding up and then slowing down of the tempo of a piece at the discretion of the musician."
Not at the discretion of the turntable.
Question, it looks like every table you posted has a factory chosen tone arm and cartridges. How does lack of choice make anything best?Nobody has listed 10 yet?
Let's talk new, available, in stock and ready to ship.
Here you go:
Technics SL-1200GR, $1699
Merrill Gem Dandy, $1795
Pro-Ject RPM 9 Carbon, $2499
Clearaudio Concept, 2500
EAT C-Sharp, $2995
Rega RP8, $2995
Mitchell Gyro SE, $3390
Acoustic Signature WOW SL, $3799
Townshend Audio Rock 7, $3900
VPI Prime, $4000
I suspect nearly any one of these turntables would give satisfactory results. There are, of course, many others that may be just as good.
Trigger finger just got scratched!
I'll have to buy a plinth although I already have a tonearm. $600 for the Denon 75 was just too much to resist. If it can hang with the other tables mentioned in this thread then it's an absolute bargain and will give me more money for tonearms and cartridges. Thanks all!
Good points. But I'm pretty sure the Merrill and the Michell have tonearm options, and that most of the others are available without a cartridge. I didn't read the question as requiring a cartridge within the budget.Question, it looks like every table you posted has a factory chosen tone arm and cartridges. How does lack of choice make anything best?
I think the OP made a smart move. A known good motor platter assembly that will make a great platform once plinth, tonearm, and cart are choosen. Honestly depending on what arm/cart/plinth he adds to the picture it will be as good as most anything suggested here, or at least close. He has a lot of room left in his budget for finishing his table.
Yes but the price was for a setup table, like a Gyro is $2700 without arm, arm board and no cartridge. But was priced at $3390 witch is supper cheap because the arm board is $100 so that price must have been with a Rega arm and not the $1100 Michell Technoarm.Good points. But I'm pretty sure the Merrill and the Michell have tonearm options,
Yes but the price was for a setup table, like a Gyro is $2700 without arm, arm board and no cartridge. But was priced at $3390 witch is supper cheap because the arm board is $100 so that price must have been with a Rega arm and not the $1100 Michell Technoarm.
If my budget is $4000 for a table it's got to at least have a SME 309 arm and a $600 cart so that puts about $2000 in arm and cart. You can get a lot more for your money though shopping around for high end used gear. I'v paid less for my SOTA Stars with SME Series V arm and cartridges worth $300 than the list price of a Series V alone.
We can help with that also. I know very little about tonearms as all the record players I have had used something integrated.
I generally just try and hit the middle and for the most part, most arms are medium mass anyway.I want to make sure I put all the pieces together properly and match the arm to cartridge.
Although this thread started life as something else. In the back of my mind I knew what I was really asking was for you all to goad me in to selling the stuff I have accumulated and get something special that I can really enjoy. I'm pleased I have done it this way as it gives me time to research and not pony up the money all at once.