I went to the sellers house today to look at them but I couldn't get the back panels off and she did not want me to scratch or gouge the cabinets in any way. She was hoping I would get it open so she could take more pictures of the inners and put them on the auction. They do not appear to have ever been opened before. I wanted to see what's in there but I guess I'll just have to see where the bidding goes and decide how bad I want them. It was really something to see a Patrician IV, a Hartsfield, a Paragon and a bunch of very high end equipment all in one place with a seller who doesn't have any idea what any of it is. It's a shame most of the pieces will go to Asia.