24/96 vs 24/192

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  1. moejr

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    Is there alot of difference in sound quality between a player that has a 24/96 DAC vs a 24/192 Dac?
     
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    Thanks Chicks. That answered all my questions
     
  4. EchoWars

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    Mr. Montgomery is awesome. His video is a must for whenever someone starts harping about 'stairstepping' digital audio or complaining that you can't properly sample a 20KHz signal with a 44.1KHz sampling rate.

     
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    I watched Mr. Montgomery's video and saw a typical assumption I've seen a number of times before. Monty Montgomery uses two simple waveforms, a sine wave and a square wave and assumes music which is a complex wave will act the same way. Music theoretically is made up of a large number of sine waves which would looks like a complex wave on an oscilloscope. Is there a way to take 50 to 100 sine waves of different frequencies and amplitudes mixed together and do a similar experiment like Mr. Montgomery's and retrieve each sine wave after A/D and D/A and then look at each sine wave to see if there is any distortion and/or phase changes?

    See also,

     
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  7. Mystic

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    I have listened to both 1000s of times and cannot tell the difference. But then I've listened to the same material @ REDBOOK and still cannot tell the difference. Could be my hearing... lots of tinnitus interference, aging aural apparatus, etc.
     
  8. Scifi

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    Another crazy thing here is there's people bashing sample rates and bits higher than 16bit/44.1kHz, but don't rant about how something like 14 bit / 40kHz would be enough and 16/44.1 is a waste. The reason this happens is because of mass suggestion (hypnosis). Also, memory is a lot cheaper now and more people have wide band internet, so we could easily use better resolution (more than 16/44.1).
     
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    Oh dear. Anti-science rears its ugly head. Sigh. You obviously don't comprehend Monty's very clear explanation if you think Niel Young's rantings are worth posting. You do know that Young consulted with Monty before launching his ill-fated Pono, right? Monty told him the facts, but he's a science sceptic, so went off to charlatans like Charles Hansen to validate his false claims. The genesis of Monty's article. So much "hi-Rez" nonsense has been written, driven my marketing, not science or engineering.
     
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  10. Scifi

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    You're anti-science, chicks and prone to logical fallacies. You obviously don't have much experience with high end audio electronics, too. Also, you're wrong if you don't think I understand Monty's explanation. I do understand it and I know he generalized what he demonstrated. You don't understand what I said earlier when I said music is different compared to single sine and square waves.

    The OP said,

    Why aren't you ranting about 24/96, chicks? You saw Monty's video didn't you? Monty seems to imply that anything above 16/44.1 is a waste.
     
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  11. Scifi

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    Another mistake you made, chicks is assuming Pono is ill-fated.
     
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    Wow. Such ignorance. 'Nuf said.
     
  13. Scifi

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    Monty apparently can't handle criticism. If you look at his youtube video its says, "Comments are disabled for this video."

    Yes, you are ignorant, chicks.
     
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    http://www.cepro.com/article/stop_the_audiophile_hypocrisy_support_neil_young#

    http://www.cepro.com/article/audiophiles_the_masses_deserve_the_best_quality/
     
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    Personally, I assign more credibility to someone at least making an effort to show me something, rather than hit me with nothing more than what amounts to statements of "trust me, I'm an audiophile just like you". Full of logical fallacies.
     
  19. Scifi

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    I have a feeling Nyquist works with sine waves, but might not apply exactly to highly complex waves and some people can hear it. Start grafting. Draw pictures of complex waves, put dots on the waves, erase the wave and see if you can fill in the orginal wave just from the dots alone. You might even try to see if someone else can do it who didn't see the orginal complex wave.

    The problem with this is that someone who questions this is considered to be a heretic, until its proven. Colleges and most scientists are opposed to criticism, too. Look how many people go to college and don't get jobs in their fields. Student debt is over 1 trillions dollars, too. Its a bubble worse than the houseing bubble.
     
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    chicks and echowars, thank you for posting. That was an interesting read and video that I had not seen before.
     

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