A Baseless Klipschorn claim UPDATE Perhaps that should be "bass-less".. This is in reference to my recent K-horn score in the Yay-yuss thread. Thanks! to all of you who have encouraged me and congratulated my trade for the Khorns! I'm super-glad I got them. There's more to do, though. I've got to do some studying, investigating if you will... and I'm gonna need some help! Here's the deal: 1.) Since I got these I have been super busy with work and other things and in fact I am out of the country right now but returning soon. 2.) due to the above, I've not really had any time to really enjoy them but hope to soon. But I've been thinking about it a lot! 3.) This is the troublesome part, with the minimal time I've had with my dream speakers, I'm feeling um...disappointed. Why? well, I have to ask, where's the bass? Yeah, I know, Khorns are supposed to be the root of all bass, right? I mean, you don't need a sub cuz the sub can't get as low, right? Now, please, don't misunderstand, I am fully aware that they weren't delivering the goods for Mark and I (we all) assumed it was the fish tank. But I was trading for them regardless of the cause of the issue and fully aware that there could be some other cause. I am not in ANY WAY dissatisfied with the deal! I've got my Khorns an I ain't letting them go! 4.) With that said, I need to figure out how to determine if the lack of bass is real or just in my head. How do I determine objectively if they are performing or not? SPL meter? Scope? Subjectively, the 19s would blow these away. Same source, same room, regardless of listening position. I know that's not supposed to be the case; the Khorns should be able to get lower and provide much more grunt than the 19s, I think. How bad is it, you ask? The first evening home, I actually disconnected the woofs just to prove they were even firing! They were. I have to figure out just how far off the mark they are and how to fix them. I'm sure everyone will suggest Bobs x-o and I'll probably do that, but my understanding (please correct me) is that the x-os don't really have anything to do with the very bottom end, right? Is there anyway that the old x-os or their caps/components could actually cripple woofer function? 5. I have found that they can develop pretty good bass IF I crank the Onkyo's bass control to +8db! But that's just wrong. It's increased pressure level but reduced SQ at that setting it seems. 6. Lets talk about the room, pictured below. the wall with the TV is 14 wide. The left wall is 20 foot and the right wall is 11 foot with the dining room on the right, the room is L-shaped. The walls are drywall, the floor is oak, the 8 foot ceiling is drywall. The left speaker is effected by the window and curtain but for test purposes, I set up a temporary false wall by placing a 4x8 sheet of 1/2" drywall on its side right in that corner, flush up to the Khorn and the TV wall and blocking the window. I did this just to eliminate the window issue while I figure this out. I will likely permanently install a false wall here. The component rack, which can be moved, is an open design which should not hurt the Khorn performance (tell me if I'm wrong here). I believe the room should be adequate. 7. sources: I have run them so far only with the Onk and with a Pio SX (686??) receiver in HT duty, FM duty and spinning vinyl and CDs. In the fullness of time (meaning when I get a chance) I will try the Mac 1700 the other Pios and even the G22K; ultimately I will be driving them with the 30As that I also got from Mark. That's a whole 'nuther learning curve, there. 8. I have only actually heard (other) Klipschorns ONCE. That was a long time ago and no doubt my memory is colored by time. I do remember them having bass....lotsa bass. I have spouted a lot of my assumptions here and that may be my biggest issue, just assuming or expecting too much. Please, address any assumption that I have wrong, I want to learn and I want to make my Klipschorns work as intended. Maybe I need to have some AKers come audition them! Talk to me, folks, what do I need to do?