Album Sales Down Again

What are album sales hitting new lows....again?!

  • Those pesky illegal downloads hurt sales.

    Votes: 4 6.1%
  • Gimme my MP3! I'll buy one or two good songs, but don't want the other 7 so-so songs on an album.

    Votes: 9 13.6%
  • With homoginization of the airwaves by broadcast conglomerates, many good artists don't get airtime.

    Votes: 8 12.1%
  • Just want that old time rock and roll. New music just isn't all that great.

    Votes: 10 15.2%
  • Its the economy, stupid. Youth buy all the music, but they can't find jobs right now.

    Votes: 22 33.3%
  • Other. Tell me why in a post to this thread.

    Votes: 13 19.7%

  • Total voters
    66
  • Poll closed .
It's the economy stupid. I went thrifting down in San Clemente this morning. Headed back home N/B on PCH about 1ish. Had lunch in Dana Point had hit Laguna Beach around 2:30. At any other point on a Saturday in August in the last 35 years it would have easily taken 5 or more light cycles at the intersection of PCH and Laguna Cyn. It was freaky!
 
I disagree about the increase. Sure, it was happening with cassettes, but making a cassette copy required investing in a tape and spending the time and effort to make the copy. And multi-generation copies weren't good and weren't done too often. Now you stick a CD in the computer and burn an absolutely perfect copy in five minutes. And once you've ripped it to your hard drive (or gotten it as a download) it takes a couple of clicks of the mouse to email it to as many people as you want simultaneously. I got very few cassette copies from friends back in the day (and I'm 51, I was prime-time for the cassette thing) because I was always particular about SQ and preferred to have LPs that I would care for and play on decent equipment. Now there's no reason in the world (other than legal and ethical ones) for me not to copy all my friends' CDs. I think my 19 year old daughter gets most of her music from a friend who's much more interested in exploring both new and old artists. I don't know how many songs she sends her, I bet it's over a dozen a month. I think the ease of making perfect copies - either high quality copies of the original CD or perfect copies of MP3s - has really hurt legitimate sales much more so than cassettes ever did. It's kind of ironic that the industry made the push to digital and digital - IMO - has caused the near-demise of the traditional music industry.

okay, perhaps there is a little more trading volume going on with the advent of the mp3, but more music is being consumed by young people than ever, be it through indy labels, online CD purchases, MP3 purchases, etc. artists have the opportunity of far greater global exposure than ever in history

I am of the age of the walkman, and I had hundreds of copied cassettes, as did most of my friends, mixtapes, and direct copies of tapes and CDs...

the amount of copied music I consumed during the nineties, including most of the people I knew was no different than the number lets say my nephew traded in MP3 format at the same ages in the last 4-5 years.
sure its easier now, but I don't think the volume has changed that much.

we were doing easily 2-3 tapes a week in my circles of friends during the 90's. each person. and we all had 50-100 bought CDs and tapes.

for birthdays and Christmas my parents always got me tapes by the bucket load, usually bought in bulk by the dozens.

at 51, you were born in what, '59 or so, that means you were doing your tape trading in the 70's and early 80's. mostly copying LPs, or tapes.
at that time double casette decks were not too common.

almost daily someone we knew got a new album, and it did the rounds to sometimes dozens of people to be dubbed.
I know my house was the spot for quite a number of my group because I had a double tape deck, and a CD player. I think we used the high speed dubbing feature on my deck too, so it often didn't take that long to copy music.

in the late 80's, and early 90's everyone I knew had a walkman, and a good number, maybe 1/4 to 1/3rd of my friends had CD players and double tape decks at home.

sure, my nephew, and his friends had 4-8 gigs of traded music on their MP3 players, and maybe a music library of double to triple that on their computers.
but we had music libraries of cassettes that were at least equivalent in size.

1 cd averages about 80 megs if ripped in high quality MP3s, thats what, about a 100 albums worth of songs on and 8 gig ipod?

I don't disagree that napster and later kazza and limewire were feeding frenzies in the last decade, but during that time, my friends and I were downloading like ravenous beasts, but also buying tons of music too, even more than before because we had access to so much more variety that we didn't previously have access to, but just had to own.

in my early 20's I was buying an average of at least 10 CDs a month, and downloading maybe 20 CDs worth. half of the CDs downloaded directly contributed to it being purchased.
and most of my friends were of a similar mindset when it came to downloading and buying.

my nephew 12 years my junior is no different, nor are his friends.


so this whole argument about the digital age killing the recording industry due to piracy is BS in my opinion due to my experience.
I think its just a scapegoat because the piracy is more out in the open, out from the bedrooms and basements of 15-20 years ago.

I blame the industry being shortsighted, just like they were when the cassette came out, just like when VHS became popular, just like tivo and PVRs, CDRs, etc.
the industry is shortsighted, and fear any new technology that *may* interfere with their current business model, instead of embracing new technologies and adapting to them.


*edit*

Just discussed this with my GF a bit.

I think the big thing that is killing album sales is the ease of access to the single tracks.

this became a part of the consumer mindset, by playing the hit singles on the radio, over and over again.
this shift began in the 80's when less and less of popular albums were entirely composed of great songs. in the 60's and 70's, most popular albums were awesome in their entirety.
you bought a stones or led zep album, it was worth every penny, you bought a whitesnake album, it was half crap filler. that trend got worse.
when P2P arrived on the scene, people downloaded those singles, and gave up on buying albums that were mostly 3-4 good tracks, and the rest was meh.
now itunes sells songs for 1$.
and when the latest eminem track is the hit of the week, it sells millions of copies on itunes, sure, it probably sees almost as many torrented copies as well.
how is his newest album selling, maybe a couple million copies?
why? because the rest of the album is crap in comparison to the 3-4 hit songs off it.
(not that I condone listening to eminem, but it is a good example of current popular music).

the recording industry needs to change the way they do the statistics of music sales, and count the single tracks.
instead of a gold or platinum record, it should be a gold or platinum song.

by not including the numbers of single songs sold in itunes and equivalent places, they are essentially lying about their losses, in their ever continuing feeble attempt to stack the deck against consumers and artists to cling to a dead business model.

the market has changed. people consume music differently, and consume more varied media.

most people are decent enough folk, and just want to embrace easier methods of consuming music.
if the easiest way is to download, a business model needs to be put in place to take advantage of that. sure, itunes showed up, but it was a little late to the online distribution party.
but once it became popular, people embraced it.
I don't deny that the internet and P2P were a catalyst in this drastic market change.
just a case of market demand vs available supply. when napster came on the scene, it basically beat the industry to the punch.
had the industry embraced the potential of the internet as a distribution method early in the game, we would be having a different discussion right now.
allow me this opportunity to reiterate the industry's shortsightedness.

the internet as a distribution method is a big deal, think printing press big deal. its a game changer.
sure, a bunch of scribes lost their jobs, but an entirely new industry and business model evolved out of the printing press.
this is what we are seeing now.
in the long term the recording industry as we know it will die, to be replaced with a leaner, and more productive replacement, that will give different employment opportunities, and will be more democratic. music for the people, by the people. where artists and fans will connect in ways previously impossible, making the experience of music consumption better, more rewarding, and more personal for everyone involved.
and hell, having the artists directly get paid for their music is a helluva lot better than the industry sucking the life and creativity out of artists.

the publishing industry is a fair one for the content creators. authors get paid REAL royalties, and keep the rights to their work.
the recording industry uses shadow accounting practices and legal loopholes to screw their artists out of royalties, and the rights to ther IP.

F the recording industry, let 'em die, bring on the new.
 
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I'm in the "All of the above" group. In addition, I think the RIAA has been their own worst enemy with these lawsuits. They made a lot of people not care about the moral issues of downloading music by enacting their own sleazy tactics. Why care about an industry that puts out crap music, wants to charge way to much for it, wants DRM on everything, sues grandmas/blind people/single mothers etc. with no legitimacy in many cases and wants your ISP to shut you down when the RIAA says so? I want the current music industry to go belly up and be replaced by independent operators using a difference business model. The day the RIAA ceases to exist is a good day for the future of music.
 
I think the big thing that is killing album sales is the ease of access to the single tracks.

I agree that this is probably the single biggest factor, though all the ones listed in the poll (and then some) are significant.

the internet as a distribution method is a big deal, think printing press big deal. its a game changer.

I agree with this as well. I find it interesting how resistant the major labels were to playing along with Steve Jobs when he was the first and only one to come up with a reasonable way to make the transition and still let the labels get paid. Until the advent of the iTunes music store it was Napster and Bear Share. The wild west. Steve Jobs saved the music industry's ass. Same thing is about to happen with newspapers, magazines, and the iPad. Printed media is a dying dinosaur (unfortunately). The only salvation for them will be an iTunes store model for tablet and other readers. The days of accessing the New York Times online for free will have to end if that company is to survive. What's been lacking is an effective mechanism to format the paper into a sensible electronic format that works the way the paper does... something you can read on the subway, or at the beach, take with you easily. The iPad is a step in that direction. OK, sorry for going OT.
 
I agree that this is probably the single biggest factor, though all the ones listed in the poll (and then some) are significant.



I agree with this as well. I find it interesting how resistant the major labels were to playing along with Steve Jobs when he was the first and only one to come up with a reasonable way to make the transition and still let the labels get paid. Until the advent of the iTunes music store it was Napster and Bear Share. The wild west. Steve Jobs saved the music industry's ass. Same thing is about to happen with newspapers, magazines, and the iPad. Printed media is a dying dinosaur (unfortunately). The only salvation for them will be an iTunes store model for tablet and other readers. The days of accessing the New York Times online for free will have to end if that company is to survive. What's been lacking is an effective mechanism to format the paper into a sensible electronic format that works the way the paper does... something you can read on the subway, or at the beach, take with you easily. The iPad is a step in that direction. OK, sorry for going OT.

I wouldn't necessarily call the newspapers OT, as that industry, the film industry, the publishing industry and the recording industry are all part of a bigger picture in how the internet is a major cultural shift in how humans consume information and media.
unfortunately the only industry with the foresight of the internet's potential was the porn industry. I dont want to get into a debate about the merits or negatives about the porn industry here, but I just want to mention how they embraced the internet as a distribution method, and succeeded quite early in the game in making it profitable.

things like the Ipad, kindle , ipod, netflix, etc. and itunes and amazon e-books style business models will be the saving grace for all of the industries I mentioned earlier.

add in subscription based technology where you get your favorite news paper delivered to your portable device automatically as soon as it has a wifi or 3g connection, and you're set.
format it with and RSS feed style system like on blog readers and the ease of use comes into play.
extra features such as an included syndicated comic reader, local TV listings, movie listings and other cultural things, and automatic notifications of updates to articles you have read during the day.

for instance you read about the BP oil spill in the morning, and a press conference at 11 am happens, the device automatically receives and update once its written, so you can get the additional information during lunch.
this helps mitigate the "instant news" of the internet, giving your subscription worth, because the "instant news" when it happens is one big factor where the 'net is killing the newspaper industry.
who wants to subscribe to a paper which only provides one large daily update to their news when the internet provides a stream 24/7.
large content updates daily every morning with a continual stream of updates during the day would be necessary to compete with the net.

magazine subscriptions can work in a similar manner, where you pay your monthly fee, and you receive a constant stream of content during that month.

back to the topic of the recording industries, some bands have embraced this "continual content stream" model as well. I forget who, but I recall in recent memory a band uploading their songs for an album, as the individual songs were completed.

subscription based music distribution models could work along that vein.
some people are die hard fans of certain bands and will buy every piece of content they create, from songs, to articles, to videos, interviews, soundtracks, etc.
I am like this with Pearl Jam.
I would willingly pay a subscription to Pearl Jam, as long as the content stream is worth it.
this kind of model can work where you find new innovative ways to engage with fans on a more personal level, building a stronger base of dedicated fans.

the content industries are in the middle of a huge cultural shift that many of the analysts cannot fully grasp.
they need to fire most of their old business and market analysts and hire the new breed of internet savvy people to help them transition in this time.

the easier you make it for consumers to receive the content they want, on a more personal level, the higher the likelihood your business will be successful.
 
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It's the economy stupid.

My 18 year old daughter couldn't find a summer job here in metro Detroit as many of the traditional jobs are being taken by older displaced workers who will still be around after August.

With fewer dollars out there folks have to make decisions on what to buy and new vinyl LPs vs. downloads and file sharing is a pretty easy choice to make.

BTW, I bought $20 of used LPs yesterday and $3 on Friday, but I guess that stuff gets missed in these reports...:dunno:
 
I think vinyl is a "long term fad" really. I don't think that the renaisance will last. As for CDs, I think it will be a long time until they completely disappear. But sooner than later, they will be exactly what LPs were in 1990. Just a few of them at the back of an entertainment store.
 
I have said it before and I will say it again and again, ad nauseam: Lousy music sales are due to lousy music.

Tom
 
I have said it before and I will say it again and again, ad nauseam: Lousy music sales are due to lousy music.

If it weren't for the huge catalog of older music from the 60s, 70s and a few artists from the 80s, the music industry would be all but dead today. The concert ticket sales are driven by older groups and artists (Jimmy Buffet just packed them in for a concert here recently) from what I see coming to the local venue.

There seems to be very little creativity in today's music. Also, I credit rap with changing a lot of newer music. I don't get rap, I never did and anything that remotely sounds like it doesn't get played on any equipment I listen to at home or in the car. Maybe one day there will be a renaissance of good music but I don't think I'll live to see it. If it does happen it will be through the freedom the Internet gives to upcoming artists, IMO.
 
I had two bedrooms full of Lps, 45's and 12 inch. When CDs became mass produced, I dumped the vinyl and I never turned back. From a DJ standpoint, too much maintenance, cds are more durable, pro players resist feedback and skipping far better than the best of wheels of steel. Quick access and now digital mixing has become more precise. Did I mention I was a mobile DJ?
Additionally, better dynamic range, and frankly a cleaner sound could sum all this up and with vinyl dust is your worst enemy where it can be wiped away from a CD and More space for more equipment with digital. Yep, I still have
a pair of sl1210 MKIIs with stanton trackmasters, a phillips turntable, and I have
a small tray of ultra rare 45s and 3 Linda Ronstadt/Nelson Riddle albums is all the vinyl I have left. If I get to missing a tune and I do not have it on CD (unlikely)...a.b.lossless..etc will have it posted via usernet so goodby wax and I will really never miss it. I have the tables in storage and I plan to pass them to my son when he goes to college to work his way through school.
 
The reason for the decline of album sales is a combination of things.

1. Illegal downloads do play a significant role.
2. With online MP3 sales outselling physical CD/LP sales by a wide margin along with the option to purchase singles or complete albums, people are now buying a few songs from an album rather than purchasing the complete album.

Many years ago, the only way to "own" and hear at your leisure songs were to either:

1. Purchase the LP, Cassette, 8track, and later in the 80's... the CD.
2. Go to library and borrow the album and then record it onto cassette or reel.
3. Wait for the song to play on the radio and record it... especially if they were playing the album straight thru without interruption.

Nowadays, with so many sources, it's too easy to listen to any song you want at any time thru the internet and just as easy to illegally download if one so wishes.

Speaking for myself, I find myself buying far less music these days versus when I was younger. Is it because of the economy... absolutely not. The only new CD's I find myself buying are mostly classical and jazz. Most of the newer bands and singers don't interest me and if there is a song that I like then I'll purchase that one single. In the past 5 years, I've purchased probably 20-30 CD's that are in the pop/rock/r&b/rap category versus over 500 purchases before the year 2000.
 
I never keep track of whats is or isnt selling. For me, I buy LPs, and I'm talkin alot. Very seldom do I buy a record from a thrift/garbage store. Its mostly new vinyl. I dont know how many others out there buy records like i do but I'm sures theres plenty. Persoanlly, I average a few hundred a month towards LPs. Some months way more.

The reason sales dip, easy. People are LAZY!!!!!!! Most people just pop one of those rediculous/ crappy sounding ear buds in and turn on an Ipod. LAZY!! I'm sure the economy has a bit to do with it, and some poor quality craftmanship but I think poor craftmanship is also just another part of Laziness. People just dont want to work for a living and that shows in the work ethics.
 
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