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Budget upgrade for a room - start with cables/interconnects?

Discussion in 'The Cutting Edge' started by idan182, Feb 20, 2017.

  1. Mister Pig

    Mister Pig Pigamus Maximus Subscriber

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    Funny, I heard the highest profit margin for any accessory sale was the Extended Warranty. Cables are even better than that huh?

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  2. Mister Pig

    Mister Pig Pigamus Maximus Subscriber

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    I would agree that speaker placement is the first place to start to improve sound quality. Get the speakers properly placed, and make sure the listening area is well situated also.

    Personally I would think about upgrading speakers. It's a bit hard to tell, but has that midrange suffered from a pushed in dust cap?

    As far as wire goes, I wouldn't get crazy with it. I believe Ghent cables builds their offering from Canare. Blue Jeans Audio uses Belden wire. Either one of those should be sufficient with this system. Actually there is an Ebay store called Vintage Audio Labs that has some interesting offerings, but are a bit more expensive than the other two. But worth considering.

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  3. c.coyle

    c.coyle All solid state except for the tubes Subscriber

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    Yup. Easiest way to make a noticeable improvement.
     
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  4. bimasta

    bimasta Super Member

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    We seem to have a rare consensus — speakers. First, raise and position them properly — let the music out! — and you'll hear a world of difference. Next, and this is a personal matter, I don't like Jamo. Heard 3 or 4 models over the years, all sounded dead to me. You can find better speakers used on CL, yard sales or GW, for under $75. Any number of brands will bring another world of difference. Then you can you can work on fine tuning (yes, that switchbox is not raising quality). Unless your cables are total crap, investing $$$ there won't be worthwhile...
     
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  5. techguy0192

    techguy0192 Keep McIntosh amps carbon fiber free! Subscriber

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    IMO cable tweaks should be last. First focus on room treatments and speaker positioning.
     
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  6. Bigboi33

    Bigboi33 Dazed and Confused Subscriber

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    ^ This right here. +1!

    Search on the listening spaces section on the forum and try to learn as much as you can about room treatment. This is by far this biggest "bang for the buck" in my opinion. Killing of first reflections and reducing peaks should be at the top of everyone's list.
     

     

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  7. Bubbalouie

    Bubbalouie Active Member

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    Cables and interconnects were the last change I made in my system.

    Power Cords
    For my integrated amps I bought the Pangea AC-9.
    For the sources I bought the Pangea AC14
    There are upgrades available, but I went with the first iteration on both.
    Speaker Cables
    For speaker cables I bought the AudioQuest Type 8 No Frills.

    Check Audio Advisor, this is where I purchased the above items, and I do like the sound of my system as it is.
     
  8. Mamrak1

    Mamrak1 AK Subscriber Subscriber

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    You are starting from the wrong end of things, in my view. Any of those components could stand to be upgraded. Cable upgrades are the least of your problems, whether a dealer hand delivers them to your door or not. A few posters have said that new cables won't solve much. I would listen to them.
     
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  9. Mojo Warrior

    Mojo Warrior Reality Star

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    Your largest improvements would be in changing your transducers.

    Transducers are the items that convert mechanical energy into electrical signals and vice versa.

    i.e. phono cartridge and speakers. Electronics are notoriously linear and highly accurate.
     
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  10. Mojo Warrior

    Mojo Warrior Reality Star

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    Well after 50 years of being involved in this hobby, I can make a couple observations.

    1) Prior to any experimentation, clean all your contact points.
    2) Coming from a rigorous science background, do all testing in a double blind fashion, to remove bias.
    3) Trust your ears, if the sound improvements are not obvious, they probably don't exist.
    4) Remember "The Law of Diminishing Returns".

    The biggest pitfall is the "price is no object" opinion. People who are wealthy, inherently assume that their hearing is better. (They are also better looking in the mirror, smarter, more successful and are much more attractive to the opposite sex) They have the cash to throw back at the marketing departments who are happy to exploit them.
     
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  11. shelly_d

    shelly_d Not An Audiophool

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    I'm not as experienced as Mojo Warrior, I started only 49 years ago, but all these points are very well taken, especally that last sentence.

    Shelly_D

    BTW:

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  12. Mamrak1

    Mamrak1 AK Subscriber Subscriber

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    It's been said elsewhere. Cabling should be looked at as icing on the cake. It should finish off your system. All the chocolate frosting in the world won't help if the cake itself is burnt.
     

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