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Building a Vintage Yamaha System - Advice, Opinions & Pot Shots Requested
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NumbDiver
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Tuners: T-1 AM/FM, T-2 FM with digital readout and dial, CT-7000 FM only
Amps: B-2, B-1 or B-2x
Preamps: C-2x or the C-2x (no other options)
I also like the Yamaha A-1 Integrated amp.
Hey, if we're looking at tuners to pick, and want to stay in the 2's, why not a T-2x? It's a nice match for the C-2x (and B-2x)...:yes:
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I've never seen a T-2x before. It looks a lot like a T-85. They must be pretty rare, where did you find yours?
Having never heard of that one or seen reference to it on fmtuner.com, I checked it out a little.
This thread alludes it to be a Japanese only T-80-like product with a different freq range than US. http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47297
I also tripped across a thread here on AK where you show you have one? Can you confirm the above info, that the freq range is 76-92MHz instead of 88-108Mhz?
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=170730
specialidiot
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Tuners: T-1 AM/FM, T-2 FM with digital readout and dial, CT-7000 FM only
Amps: B-2, B-1 or B-2x
Preamps: C-2x or the C-2x (no other options
huh?
the-real-mandak
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NumbDiver
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I like to throw the T-2x out there, since it is so unknown. Makes me feel like Mark B for a second, having all the coolest gear.
Nope, the T-2x was bound for US. Std tuning freqs. It's based off the T-85, which is already held in high regard with DX'ers and tweakers. It's got added goodies from the get-go, but for all practical purposes funtions the same as the T-85.
Gregor (Asha) also has one. I believe his was the FM monitor from a local radio station. Yup, pretty good stuff. My CT-7k is sexier with the flywheel knob, and clean face, and has better lows. But the T-2x is no slouch. It bettered my T-1 and T-2. Although they are both quite nice as well.
Honestly, I'm so disappointed with the compressed FM these days, I don't know how much it really matters. I don't listen to classical, and most all other stations are average at best (IMHO).
I do love having the presets on the T-2x. Not as sexy, but far more friendly. And AM to boot. But yes, good luck finding one. I think I've got one-up on Mark B, at least for the time being!:thmbsp:
I do have a bunch of nudies if anyone here is a tuner tweaker. I don't know tuner internals at all, so I can't tell you what I'm looking at. Maybe if PunkerX was here...
Nope, the T-2x was bound for US. Std tuning freqs. It's based off the T-85, which is already held in high regard with DX'ers and tweakers. It's got added goodies from the get-go, but for all practical purposes funtions the same as the T-85.
Gregor (Asha) also has one. I believe his was the FM monitor from a local radio station. Yup, pretty good stuff. My CT-7k is sexier with the flywheel knob, and clean face, and has better lows. But the T-2x is no slouch. It bettered my T-1 and T-2. Although they are both quite nice as well.
Honestly, I'm so disappointed with the compressed FM these days, I don't know how much it really matters. I don't listen to classical, and most all other stations are average at best (IMHO).
I do love having the presets on the T-2x. Not as sexy, but far more friendly. And AM to boot. But yes, good luck finding one. I think I've got one-up on Mark B, at least for the time being!:thmbsp:
I do have a bunch of nudies if anyone here is a tuner tweaker. I don't know tuner internals at all, so I can't tell you what I'm looking at. Maybe if PunkerX was here...
You are indeed!I like to throw the T-2x out there, since it is so unknown. Makes me feel like Mark B for a second, having all the coolest gear.
Nope, the T-2x was bound for US. Std tuning freqs. It's based off the T-85, which is already held in high regard with DX'ers and tweakers. It's got added goodies from the get-go, but for all practical purposes funtions the same as the T-85.
Gregor (Asha) also has one. I believe his was the FM monitor from a local radio station. Yup, pretty good stuff. My CT-7k is sexier with the flywheel knob, and clean face, and has better lows. But the T-2x is no slouch. It bettered my T-1 and T-2. Although they are both quite nice as well.
Honestly, I'm so disappointed with the compressed FM these days, I don't know how much it really matters. I don't listen to classical, and most all other stations are average at best (IMHO).
I do love having the presets on the T-2x. Not as sexy, but far more friendly. And AM to boot. But yes, good luck finding one. I think I've got one-up on Mark B, at least for the time being!:thmbsp:
I do have a bunch of nudies if anyone here is a tuner tweaker. I don't know tuner internals at all, so I can't tell you what I'm looking at. Maybe if PunkerX was here...
Yamahalic
Super Member
Interesting article (I wish I spoke German). That M-2 sure represents TopART to me
Everyone, be sure to check out all 4 articles from this link (M-2, M-2 comparison, C-2a, C-2a comparison).
SoCal Sam
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The square wave trace is superb. The result is similar to the PC2002M, which is not surprising since they are based on each other.
the-real-mandak
Super Member
I can't say about the inside but the outside is clearly of the T-80, the T-85 has a slitly different layout where the 2 most clear signs are the doubble amount of presets and the long IF mode button. I have bough the T-80 and 85, so if you send me some of the nakeds you have of the T-2x I will take a look (I PM you my e-mail).
Thanks for all the input. I'm now sure the path I've selected to a vintage Yamaha system is the right one for me.
The M-2 was tempting until I found out that it was not a VFET. I also incorrectly assumed that is was mono, the M threw me off.
Had originally given the B-2x and C-2x consideration, but once again the VFET came into play and the xes give me an "upgrade" path should I eventually be tempted to go that route.
Will hold out as long as I can for a PX-2. Will only go for a PX-3 if the 2 is unobtainable at a reasonable price after a year or two of searching.
Just found the C-2a and T-2 at a reasonable price and picked them up. Man is the C-2a heavy, quite a deluxe case. It runs nicely warm for a SS unit.
The M-2 was tempting until I found out that it was not a VFET. I also incorrectly assumed that is was mono, the M threw me off.
Had originally given the B-2x and C-2x consideration, but once again the VFET came into play and the xes give me an "upgrade" path should I eventually be tempted to go that route.
Will hold out as long as I can for a PX-2. Will only go for a PX-3 if the 2 is unobtainable at a reasonable price after a year or two of searching.
Just found the C-2a and T-2 at a reasonable price and picked them up. Man is the C-2a heavy, quite a deluxe case. It runs nicely warm for a SS unit.
the-real-mandak
Super Member
Congrats on the 2 "new" units, but do consider to get a PX-3 and use it until you get hold of a PX-2. If the price of the PX-3 is ok, you will get most (or all) of it back when reselling. That way you also get a feel for this kind of tt's and some really nice music on the way.
A New Direction
Over a year has passed and have not added anything new to the Yamaha "2" project. Reasons why include: 1) never made it to the top 3 of my priority list, 2) had a VFET amp (Sony 8550) for at least 5 years back-in-the-day so have had the VFET experience, 3) already have a nice DD LT TT (Pioneer PL-L1000) and 4) I’ve come up with a new Yamaha project to pursue that strikes me as more fun. The "2" project did have a positive benefit, the T-2 tuner. This has got to be one of the biggest bang-for-the-buck tuners out there, if you luck into a good one. Would never have tried the T-2 if not for this project.
The new Yamaha project is focused on getting an amp/preamp combo and comparing it with my late 80s American SS rig: BEL 1001 and Klyne SK-5A. To keep things on a level playing field I'm looking to get a Yamaha rig from the same era that costs the same now as the BEL/Klyne rig. My initial inclination it to pair a MX-2000 (also will satisfy my unfulfilled urge for big meters) with a C-2x. This combo has the benefit of costing right about what the BEL/Klyne cost me. Then I thought, always a dangerous activity (fire hazard and such), what about a CX-2000 instead, which would give me a matching pair.
My first question is how do the C-2x and CX-2000 compare sonically? I've read on AK many times what a killer unit the C-2x is, what about the CX-2000? Pretty sure the CX-2000 would cost me a bit more.
Following the matching pair thought, would the M-2 or B-2x be the C-2x's mate? I'd loose the meters, but save some bucks. However, everything I've read says the MX-2000 amp is killer and to compete with the BEL it would have to be.
Looking forward to your input. :yes:
Over a year has passed and have not added anything new to the Yamaha "2" project. Reasons why include: 1) never made it to the top 3 of my priority list, 2) had a VFET amp (Sony 8550) for at least 5 years back-in-the-day so have had the VFET experience, 3) already have a nice DD LT TT (Pioneer PL-L1000) and 4) I’ve come up with a new Yamaha project to pursue that strikes me as more fun. The "2" project did have a positive benefit, the T-2 tuner. This has got to be one of the biggest bang-for-the-buck tuners out there, if you luck into a good one. Would never have tried the T-2 if not for this project.
The new Yamaha project is focused on getting an amp/preamp combo and comparing it with my late 80s American SS rig: BEL 1001 and Klyne SK-5A. To keep things on a level playing field I'm looking to get a Yamaha rig from the same era that costs the same now as the BEL/Klyne rig. My initial inclination it to pair a MX-2000 (also will satisfy my unfulfilled urge for big meters) with a C-2x. This combo has the benefit of costing right about what the BEL/Klyne cost me. Then I thought, always a dangerous activity (fire hazard and such), what about a CX-2000 instead, which would give me a matching pair.
My first question is how do the C-2x and CX-2000 compare sonically? I've read on AK many times what a killer unit the C-2x is, what about the CX-2000? Pretty sure the CX-2000 would cost me a bit more.
Following the matching pair thought, would the M-2 or B-2x be the C-2x's mate? I'd loose the meters, but save some bucks. However, everything I've read says the MX-2000 amp is killer and to compete with the BEL it would have to be.
Looking forward to your input. :yes:
CX-2000 is same same internally as the CX-1000. Having both the C-2a and CX-1000, I'd have to give it to the C-2a, so likely the C-2x will win out there.
The MX-2000 is one sweet sounding amp and paired with a C-2x I can only imagine how great the combo would be. I run my CX-1000/MX-2000 combo and it's smoother, cleaner, and more detailed than any of the other Yamaha amps. It doesn't have the huge power some others do, but wins out with a measly 135WPC mosfet HCA. Sitting 5-6 feet from my JBL L112's, I rarely have to drive it up over 50WPC RMS avg and that's a push tolerating the volume for anything other than one favorite song per day.
IMHO, if you're going for sonics, the C-2x/MX-2000 combo is going to be hard to beat, if convenience and looks are desired, the CX-2000/MX-2000 is the way to go unless you trip across the CX-10000/MX-10000 combo at anything less than $8k for the pair.
I believe the matching amp for the C-2x was the B-2x, though it's predecessor the C-2a was for a time mated to the either the B-2x (early) or M-2.
The MX-2000 is one sweet sounding amp and paired with a C-2x I can only imagine how great the combo would be. I run my CX-1000/MX-2000 combo and it's smoother, cleaner, and more detailed than any of the other Yamaha amps. It doesn't have the huge power some others do, but wins out with a measly 135WPC mosfet HCA. Sitting 5-6 feet from my JBL L112's, I rarely have to drive it up over 50WPC RMS avg and that's a push tolerating the volume for anything other than one favorite song per day.
IMHO, if you're going for sonics, the C-2x/MX-2000 combo is going to be hard to beat, if convenience and looks are desired, the CX-2000/MX-2000 is the way to go unless you trip across the CX-10000/MX-10000 combo at anything less than $8k for the pair.
I believe the matching amp for the C-2x was the B-2x, though it's predecessor the C-2a was for a time mated to the either the B-2x (early) or M-2.
Thanks brutal.
Sounds like my initial combo might be my best route. Encouraging to hear your good results with the MX-2000/C-2a combo since I'm already halfway there, at least in components. Not worried about the MX-2000 power rating given that the BEL is 50WPC, although it's pure unadulterated class A.
Sounds like my initial combo might be my best route. Encouraging to hear your good results with the MX-2000/C-2a combo since I'm already halfway there, at least in components. Not worried about the MX-2000 power rating given that the BEL is 50WPC, although it's pure unadulterated class A.
specialidiot
Break Glass, Smoke Lucky
Gotta agree there - I'm running my recently acquired MX-2000 (thx to brutal) with a C-2x and am enjoying it a great deal.
I've also ran a B-2 and a B-2x with my C-2x. I did a blind test with those two and the B-2 won out. I *think* the B-2 would also take the MX-2000 but certainly not in the looks category.
