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CLEANING VINYL - The AK compendium of fact, fiction and collective wisdom

Discussion in 'General Audio Discussion' started by onwardjames, Dec 31, 2014.

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Have you ever used glue to clean a record?

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  2. No

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  1. DavePlatt

    DavePlatt New Member

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    Well, yeah - I wouldn't actually use Bactine on a record. No telling what those essential oils might do to the vinyl.
     

     

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  2. Archguy

    Archguy Official Roiurama Factory Rep Subscriber

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    How can you tell when a record needs cleaning? I've just gotten mine out from (decades-long but careful) storage and it seems to me that most are immaculate, aside from the occasional particles of dust. Here is a sample detail photograph (click to enlarge). I can see right into the grooves and they look flawless. Is it accurate to say that such a record is likely soiled on a microscopic scale? I don't want to clean something that doesn't need it. Is it safe to play such records as is?

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  3. drtool

    drtool It might get loud In Houston Subscriber

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    If it was stored in a NON paper sleeve, you are good to go.
     
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  4. travellersol

    travellersol Active Member

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    Hi, to those who have been using this ultra sonic cleaning method, how quickly do you need to clean them again?
     
  5. klhdude

    klhdude Active Member

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    i have used w d 40 ,not bad,and mostly windex an paper towels , pretty good.theres many places within 30 miles or so that sell many albums,some still in plastic etc,perfect new from back when musick didnt suck as bad..........
     
  6. Dusty Ol'Man

    Dusty Ol'Man Sitting here in Blue Jay Way Subscriber

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    Please excuse me if this has been asked and answered, I didn't feel like searching 18 pages. There was a thread I had run across with "you're doing it wrong" in the title. Anyone have a link to that one? I remember it containing a bunch of good, scientific info on cleaning methods and solutions.
     

     

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  7. John James

    John James "Bob's your uncle" (Stolen) Subscriber

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  9. ETLS

    ETLS metacarpophalangealcranium Subscriber

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    WD-40 on vinyl records?

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  10. Hajidub

    Hajidub Chihuahua/Pug = Chug Subscriber

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    One of the most informative threads I've seen in a while! What information specifically, you ask? Who NOT to buy records from!
     
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  11. Klaatu561

    Klaatu561 Klaatu barada nikto Subscriber

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    Sometimes the statement "cleaning records" gets convoluted. I have no intention of hanging any of my LP's on the wall and really don't care how they look and I am not talking about the LP covers. What I do care about is how to get the best sound out of the vinyl considering age, dirt etc. I remember sitting around with my buddies dropping the needle over and over again on a Neil Young record to figure out chords. I would not want that in my collection or there is no record cleaning process on earth that could resurrect that LP to a enjoyable quality but it looked good. What I have been desperately seeking is a way to clean 40+ years of dirt from an LP to minimize the pops and cracks. I will never use wood glue and the like on any of my LP's. One must really think about this in a logical manor and with a basic understanding how records play/cut. Although there are many methods advertised and suggested the only one to me that makes sense is ultrasound. It is the most non-invasive approach however I have a few questions about it. #1. Do the labels get wet and #2. Can anyone offer an unbiased before and after playing of a few LP's. I see many demonstrations that show how pretty LP's look afterwards (which the earlier referred to Neil Young record might look shinny) which loops back to the question- How do they sound after- as opposed to before cleaning? Has anyone used an Ultrasonic device that actually helps delete the pops and cracks?
     

     

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  12. tom67

    tom67 Active Member

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    I got back into vinyl a year ago....started with alcohol and distilled water as many recommend. However had about 350 old records piled in 120 degree Florida garage for 30 years.With the humidity, there was too much gunk in the grooves for spot cleaning. There is no way ultrasound will remove that in a dry process. They had actual grit in the grooves as well. Ended up with dish pan with a few drops of Palmolive detergent. I dunked vertically and scrubbed with finger tips as I rotated, then dried with soft non shedding cotton hand towels.I did not damage or fade a single label. Dish detergents have a rinse type agent in them and most are shiny like new. Obviously this will not correct problems with damage to the vinyl itself. Try a couple of losers and see what you think
     
  13. drjohnnyfeva

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    Guilty as well. As a kid of the 70's. Dawn and dishwater! Dry with Bounty towels! Allow to air dry 15 minutes. Play. Way better than what you started with. No matter the condition of the record. Just follow the grooves both back and forth.

    But I NEVER used my fingers. I always use a Scotch Brand sponge. I soak the Scotch sponge into Dawn Dish Detergent - - - which saves animals lives, if you didn't know...

    For a pristine LP, that is "cleaned" before each play... with a sticky roller or static free brush, these are far more effective than the Dawn and Dishwater method.

    Use some discretion. A friend's LP, a Goodwill pick, a yard sale find, or your own original purchase would dictate how to care for it. Yet I will never understand the "higher quality" water.
     
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  14. ETLS

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    While I cannot speak for other's products, these were designed to eliminate any label wetting. The dual o-rings are for demo purposes only, as one size fits 12" label size, and the other works for 10" and 7" records. The aluminum insert pictured, fits large hole 7" 45's. I know other folks here have the vinyl stack products so maybe they will chime in about those systems too.

    I've cleaned several thousand records with my machine and I can say this, it will NOT fix damaged records, but it will clean them better than anything else I've used. It does make an improvement.
     

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  15. onwardjames

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    Dr Vince's thread was linked earlier in THIS one, ya'll. Just a heads up, this is a gathering of ALL knowledge, so please.....link away to stuff from here, and elsewhere, if it seems valid to the topic.

    As for those saying "I'll NEVER glue a record." I would advise to never say never. For that gone-ass record with nothing to lose.....why not?? I've had fantastic success with resurrecting otherwise useless records, and THAT is what glue should be used for.

    Carry on. Glad to see this thread get a little traction, because cleaning vinyl properly and safely is a goal of each of it, is it not??
     
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  16. ETLS

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    Ultrasonic is not a dry process. There is a very in depth thread that deals with the various chemistries involved with vinyl formulation and the cleaners used for cleaning vinyl records. There are also quite a few hands on contributors that have added their findings. It's well worth the read.
     

     

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  18. ETLS

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    I know carburetor cleaner will remove pine tar from my truck's paint job, but I wouldn't use it for that.
     
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  19. hi*ball

    hi*ball Records & Coffee

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    WD-40 works great...














    on door hinges.


    Records get cleaned on a RCM.
     
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  20. Klaatu561

    Klaatu561 Klaatu barada nikto Subscriber

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    ETLS____What process is it that you use to clean your records? Ultrasound?
     

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