Thanks again, Your right ! , at first it was not that great but now it sounds pretty good actually , after cleaning the controls up and replacing two RCA pre amp tubes with some Telefunkens the sound is pretty good now , could it be better ? Certainly it could, a little too much treble is all that I really see wrong with it now and that can be turned down but when half way up on the control it is a little too much treble, that seems more like a pre amp issue more than output issue to me , I have not messed any with the pre amp/tuner other than changing tubes and cleaning it. I noticed that the speakers Fisher used on this model were pretty non effeicient sponges - if I had to put it into words, those speakers would certainly tame the highs down quite a bit sense they do not have any horns. I'm just using two 12 inch 8 ohm test speakers right now, I have not bought any speakers for it yet. I usually like 8 ohm 3 ways with dual mids and horns up top ! . I don't know if I should try to lower the highs some now or just leave it alone until I get speakers for it. I do not have a sku for it either to sit and examine their pre amp design. I did notice high notes were extending themselves higher and lower once in a while on the scope patterns. It is so close to being right that it is hard to describe what I am hearing, just an extra millisecond of high sustain is the best way I can describe it or a slight schrill on certain highs. If I lower the treble it goes away but so does the shine on the vocals. I have a marker generator (pic) can that work ?