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Fisher Consoles 1945-1958

Discussion in 'Fisher Forum Stickies' started by TheRed1, Mar 16, 2008.

  1. TheRed1

    TheRed1 Console Conservationist

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    I finally resorted to creating my own website to organize this information:

    http://members.cox.net/fisherconsoles/

    Note: Due to my ISP discontinuing their web page hosting service, the above website is no longer in service. However, all the data from that site is available at AK member Jonboy55's http://fisherconsoles.com/ website.

    Eventually (if I ever get the time) I hope to link to the photos I have. Until then, please refer to my original post:

    http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=146667

    I have checked and double-checked for mistakes and I'm sure there are some more I haven't found yet. Please don't hesitate to point them out. As you can see I am still missing pricing data for 1960 and 1961. Also, the 1961 Executive VI remains a mystery. And who knows where the President V and the Executive V went! They're not in either the 1960 or 1961 catalogs - they jump straight from the IV to the VI models.

    Another mystery is Analog Addict's C-33:

    http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1677961&postcount=44

    I have it listed in the chassis database I acquired as a 1962 Chadwick II w/ chassis 460-T and 460-A - same as the '62 Custom Electra. But it's not listed in either the '62 catalog or the '62 price list or any other year for that matter.

    Much of the credit for the information contained herein should go to "The Fisher Professor" who was able to fill in most of the information I sought. Amazingly, I actually had some information he needed and we were able to help each other out. The chassis information is all his and mostly based on his comprehensive collection. I've had several very pleasant and extremely informative phone conversations with him. He certainly knows his Fishers.

     
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2011
  2. WopOnTour

    WopOnTour Hoarder Extraordinaire

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    Dude, any chance you could change the blue text on your site to black? (or something else with a bit of contrast with that green background?)
    It might be the "little Neanderthal" in me, but I cant read a THING on your site!
    Good idea though
    WOT
     
  3. TheRed1

    TheRed1 Console Conservationist

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    Majority of the pictures loaded and linked. 1964 will take some time but will be fun as they are the best color images. Hope this will be of interest to the Fisher fans out there.

    I am slowly learning how to read and write HTML. I know there must be easier ways of doing this than the way I'm doing it. But my way is working - at least on my computer - after multiple attempts. Any feedback would be appreciated.

    Google has yet to index it but I have no idea how long that can take or what criteria the "spiders" look at. It's been fun but very labor intensive.
     
  4. wa2ise

    wa2ise Super Member

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    Look at the list prices for the ones at the top end. Wow! $2700 back in 1962, that's more than some people made in a year back then. And I think some cars new went for less too.
     
  5. John L

    John L Chief Bloviator

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    This is just Outstanding! Thanks for the info. I have it bookmarked for future reference.

    Again Thanks!
     
  6. Fisherdude

    Fisherdude Regular Dude - Super Mod Super Mod Subscriber

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    :ntwrthy::ntwrthy:

    Thanks for all the work! We all appreciate your labor of love!:thmbsp:
     
  7. Tom Bavis

    Tom Bavis Audiophool Subscriber

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    I'll add a link on my site. I can contribute scanned service info for some, if you decide to add it.
     
  8. Duffinator

    Duffinator Spin The Black Circle

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    Nice job. I recently finished scanning my 1955 brochures so they are ready for upload if you want them. They include info on the Jensen and what looks like Altec duplex speakers.
     
  9. TheRed1

    TheRed1 Console Conservationist

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    OK...I think I've got all the major mistakes fixed and the pictures from 1964 uploaded and linked. Whew!

    Perhaps this will spark a discussion on the evolution of the console: Mono to Stereo, Tube to Transistor......

    Why did "Modern" styling give way to "Contemporary"?

    How much influence did the Ad Men have over the product? (I can't wait for the next season of "Mad Men"!) What advances were being incorporated into these things that didn't ever get hyped?

    And what effect, if any, did the events of the late 50's and early 60's have on Fisher's design, marketing and sales?

    Fisher introduced what it claimed was the "first truly stereophonic radio-phonograph and tape recorder" in 1956 - The President I. Everyone sure liked Ike. I don't imagine that model name would generate many sales these days. Look at the rest of the model names: Executive, Statesman, Ambassador...with connotations of leadership, dignity, tradition, stability...And then, in 1963, introducing: 'The Regent' - only one step down from The President. An allusion to Camelot? By '65 'The Regent' is gone. Dallas?

    I heard somewhere that Kennedy had a Fisher console. Can anyone confirm that?

    It's late. I've been too deeply immersed in this for my own good.

    Cool! Information on Fisher stuff from the 50's is hard to come by and the speaker info is a bonus. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

    If the service info is stored somewhere I can link to, I'd be happy to add it. That would certainly make the site a lot more useful to folks. Thanks, Tom.
     
  10. Tom Bavis

    Tom Bavis Audiophool Subscriber

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    I have a few Fisher scans here: http://www.audiophool.cjb.net/hifistuff.html

    and have these Sams folders scanned...

    Fisher 100
    Fisher 100R
    Fisher 101R
    Fisher 30-A
    Fisher 202 series (mono - schem only)
    Fisher 202-T tuner/pre
    Fisher 400C preamp
    Fisher 500 (mono)
    Fisher 50A
    Fisher 800C (schem only)
    Fisher 80AZ
    Fisher 80-R, 80-T
    Fisher 90C
    Fisher 90-T
    Fisher FM-40
    Fisher FM-80
    Fisher MPX-10
    Fisher PR-6 phono preamp
    Fisher SA-300
    Fisher TA800
    Fisher X-101
    Fisher X-101B
    Fisher X-202B
     
  11. himm37

    himm37 Well-Known Member

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    Wow, Great work, Great Info!

    There is one on my local CL, that should have the following: Chassis: 480-T, 460-A

    Anyway to get info on the components?

    Thanks!
     
  12. TheRed1

    TheRed1 Console Conservationist

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    I might have a source for schematics for both of those if you end up getting what I assume is a '62 Custom Electra V. What style cabinet?

    Wow, the first time someone actually uses my website for its intended purpose and I'm already giving out misinformation. The chassis should be 460-T, 460-A. I'll fix that right away, sorry.
     
  13. himm37

    himm37 Well-Known Member

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    It's listed as a Custom Electra V (model E46). It looks to be in good shape. They are asking too much . I sent am email as it's close to me, I'll report back.

    Here's a pic: [​IMG]
     
  14. rl1856

    rl1856 New Member

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    460-T Tuner Preamp and 460-A stereo amp. Power supply of the amp is designed for the load of the amp and the companion tuner-preamp.

    460-T turns everything on-off; amp needs to have a connection jumpered to work alone and also needs to have an additional load added to the power supply to compensate for the lack of Tuner-Pre load.

    460-A amp: 4 x 6bq5, 2 x 7247, small 8ohm only output transformers. ~12wpc of very sweet sonics. No deep bass to speak of, and rolled off treble, but a very nice midrange.

    460-T Tuner Preamp- AM-FM mono, with an outboard MPX unit (MPX-65 ?). Included preamp is stereo.

    Best,

    Ross
     
  15. TheRed1

    TheRed1 Console Conservationist

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    1955 Fisher Brochure

    Including the following models: The Custom Electra in Normandy, Chadwick and Rondo cabinets; The Custom Sixty (Series 360) in Hampshire and Allegro cabinets; and the Series 101 Gramophone.

    Brochures and scans courtesy Duffinator.

    This is beyond the scope of my website but certainly still of interest to Fisher fans.

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  16. Duffinator

    Duffinator Spin The Black Circle

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    Wow you work fast! :thmbsp:

    The Normandy, NK-14, is the one I have.
     
  17. TheRed1

    TheRed1 Console Conservationist

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    More '55 Fishers

    The Coronet brochure illustrating the Hampshire, Allegro, Provincial and Warwick cabinets.

    Again, brochures and scans courtesy Duffinator.

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  18. madwing

    madwing Super Member

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    does anyone have an idea which amp is in the model 101 gramophones? i might have a line on one...
     
  19. analog addict

    analog addict Glory or Death! Subscriber

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    I have the 460T/460A/MPX-70 combination. It is next up on the list for bench work, but I would greatly appreciate any and all leads on schematics, especially for the 460A, but I'd love to have any or all of them. As far as the mods needed for 460A stand alone duty, here's a quote off the yahoo fisher group....

    Briefly the most immediate thing that needs addressing is the
    interdependence of the amp with the companion preamp/tuner unit. The bias
    system for the 4 6BQ5 output tubes is used to supply the 3 12AX7s in the
    preamp/tuner with their dc filament supply. One side of the bias pot goes
    through a 1/2 watt resistor (don't recall the value) to one of the wires on
    the 12 pin female connector. On the preamp end of this connector the circuit
    runs through 3 12AX7 filaments (approximately 30 to 35 volts dc). You must
    cut that circuit and replace it with about a 300 ohm to 350 ohm 10 watt
    resistor under the chassis of the power amp. The other side of the large
    resistor goes to ground. What this does is eliminate the dependency of the
    units, but it also creates heat under the chassis. I have thought a more
    elegant way to do this might be to defeat the ac filament supply for the 2
    power amp 7247 tubes, add a 3rd 12AX7 to the power amp someplace (a
    "dummy" tube used only for its filament), and run this circuit through all 3
    filaments similar to original. This would "upgrade" the ac filament supply
    of the 7247s to dc (although I don't really know if this is an upgrade or
    not - opinions welcome - I have not actually done this but was thinking
    about it as it would remove the heat from under the chassis).

    Other things I've done are to upgrade the 4 output coupling caps. I've
    upgraded the 2 rectifier diodes to modern better soft recovery types. I've
    replaced the input rca jacks with gold plated jobs from Radio Shack. And
    there were small ceramic capacitors across the speaker outputs which I
    clipped off - if anyone knows what they do please let me know but it sounds
    better without them.

    Hope this helps. Don't do it unless you're comfortable with the subject
    matter though. The voltages under the chassis are high and dangerous.
     
  20. madwing

    madwing Super Member

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    in fact, it's now in the back of my truck. sounding wonderful, with some very old valvo el84s and a recap back in '04.

    says it's a chassis no. "50". push-pull mono integrated amp with a 5y3gt rectifier and a HUGE transformer.

    can't wait to get it pulled out and inspected properly...then there'll be pics.
     

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