Fisher Custom Electra V, Mod E46-X

Discussion in 'Fisher' started by MtnAudio, Nov 28, 2017.

  1. MtnAudio

    MtnAudio AK Subscriber Subscriber

    Messages:
    106
    Location:
    Santa Cruz, CA
    No, I got ya. Just joking.
     
  2. MtnAudio

    MtnAudio AK Subscriber Subscriber

    Messages:
    106
    Location:
    Santa Cruz, CA
    This is the cartridge from the Garrard-no name on it. Also took a close up of the stylus. To me the stylus appears to be good but would appreciate an educated opinion. It also appears to be a little crooked in the mount, can I carefully turn that to straighten it or just get another stylus?
    Which begs the other question, what is the cartridge and what fits it?
     

    Attached Files:

    Last edited: Dec 3, 2017
  3. larryderouin

    larryderouin You can be sure if it's Westinghouse??????? Subscriber

    Messages:
    20,459
    Location:
    Glen Burnie Md.
    Pickering / Stanton model 380. Great info from this thread http://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/model-380-stanton-cartridge-info-needed.315438/
    There is a sticker hidden on the top of the cartridge.

    It's a good match for the 210 arm.

    Don't try to turn,twist, or adjust the stylus. You'll only break or mess it up. Best to get a new replacement.
     
  4. MtnAudio

    MtnAudio AK Subscriber Subscriber

    Messages:
    106
    Location:
    Santa Cruz, CA
    Thanks, I see a new Red one on ebay now I may pick up. Keep looking for a Gold so I can get tracking down to 3 grams.
     
  5. larryderouin

    larryderouin You can be sure if it's Westinghouse??????? Subscriber

    Messages:
    20,459
    Location:
    Glen Burnie Md.
  6. MtnAudio

    MtnAudio AK Subscriber Subscriber

    Messages:
    106
    Location:
    Santa Cruz, CA
    Checked in with turntableneedles and they do have an ATE at a reasonable price (gotta buy a stylus anyway) that he also thought would be a good change over, and with future availability.

    I am going to pull the components from the cabinet to clean the units and the cabinet as well as check and get some help to do some minor update to the components. Don't see anything in the literature about cabinet speaker impedance and the amp is not marked. Picture of the woofer is in an earlier post of this thread. Would like to connect and play on the bench without the cabinet speakers and am wondering if an 8 ohm speaker will be a problem, just for test purposes?
     
  7. larryderouin

    larryderouin You can be sure if it's Westinghouse??????? Subscriber

    Messages:
    20,459
    Location:
    Glen Burnie Md.
    Look on the schematic to the right of the Amplifier output transformer. One connection is ground and the other 8 ohms. It's rated for 8ohm. Put your meter on ohms and connect it to the speaker terminals (doesn't matter which to which.) if you get around 6-7 ohms it's an 8 ohm setup. The disparity is that you are measuring DC Ohms while the rating is actually Inductance converted to ohms. It's close enough for Gov't work.
     
  8. MtnAudio

    MtnAudio AK Subscriber Subscriber

    Messages:
    106
    Location:
    Santa Cruz, CA
    Now that you have shown a light on it, it couldn't be clearer. Read about 6 ohms at the speaker and the schematic is clear. Thanks
     
  9. MtnAudio

    MtnAudio AK Subscriber Subscriber

    Messages:
    106
    Location:
    Santa Cruz, CA
    I have removed the components from the cabinet and will be getting some assistance to do some updates. This was an in the console working unit and I do not plan to do a full restoration but want it to be safe, clean, and perform well. I don't believe it's ever been touched other than one of the output tubes has been replaced with a GE I think, logo is unclear. Looks like all the other tubes at The Fisher-Made in West Germany or Great Britain. I have seen the posting on disassembly and thorough cleaning including a dishwasher but don't want to go that far, plus it looks pretty good. I need to do a basic cleaning while doing no harm. So I have a few questions.

    There is some light oxidation on some of the chimneys and stubborn dust and dirt here and there.Thinking some low pressure air and a soft brush to clean the loose webs and dust and a damp wipe with water or Windex? where needed. Also thinking the tube sockets need to be cleaned. I have Deoxit, should I pull the tubes and squirt the sockets from top down or invert the units so the deoxit will drain? Also will use the Deoxit on the switches, input/output sockets, power sockets, etc. What cleaner should I use for the tuners?

    Also, in the picture of the tuner face I am lifting a piece of opaque plastic that is loose. Doesn't appear to have been attached anywhere, there is an opening there that goes through to the chassis but it doesn't fully block that either. Looked at pictures of other 460-T tuners and don't see it. Purpose/location?

    Thanks for any help.
    Fisher console 2 001.JPG Fisher console 2 002.JPG Fisher console 2 003.JPG Fisher console 2 004.JPG Fisher console 2 005.JPG Fisher console 2 006.JPG Fisher console 2 007.JPG
     
  10. gadget73

    gadget73 junk junkie Subscriber

    Messages:
    33,946
    Location:
    Southern NJ
    Having rebuilt an RC 210 that came to me with a Stanton 380 I'd be inclined to run it. I picked up a new stylus for it as part of the repair, not expensive and it sounded excellent. It wasn't my changer, I only serviced it for a friend of a friend but I was impressed with how it sounded. Not the most detailed thing I've ever played but it nice to listen to. If you do a lot of classical music or well recorded jazz it may not be for you but its a heck of a rock cartridge, especially for earlier stuff that was not exactly optimized for super duper audiophile systems.
     
  11. larryderouin

    larryderouin You can be sure if it's Westinghouse??????? Subscriber

    Messages:
    20,459
    Location:
    Glen Burnie Md.
    Get a can of Dow SCRUBBING BUBBLES (Yeah the stuff used in the shower.)and a can of CRC QD NON RESIDUE CONTACT CLEANER. The CRC is available @ Home Depot in the Electrical Dept. Don't get the Electrical cleaner. Remove the tubes from the Amp, and the Tuner/Preamp. Spray everything (except the tuner fins) on the top side of the unitand let it foam up and subside. Now take a 1-1/2" Paint Brush and scrub everything. Do one piece at a time. Now flip the AMP on it's end (Power Transformer on lower side). Rinse thoroughly with the contact cleaner from top to bottom. Make sure you get it in the socket holes for the tubes. Set aside to dry for an hour.

    Now do the same thing for theTuner/preamp. Clean with the Scrubbing bubbles, then Flush the Tuner Preamp thoroughly. Turn each of the tuner knobs so the fins are UNMESHED! Do the TOP one 1st. Spray with the CRC on both sides of the fins. Use a new (unused) clean 1" brush and scrub the fins in the direction of the fins. Give the tuner another quick shot and exercise the fins from Unmeshed to meshed and back again about 20 times. Rinse onelast time with the CRC. Repeat with the other tuner.

    You can use a metal polish like MOTHER's MAG and Wheel Polish to shine the tube shields and the chassis. Be careful around the lettering as it WILL remove the lettering (all of the polishes will) with a fair amount of elbow grease. Don't shine the chassis to a chrome like luster. It's Cadmium plated and is supposed to be somewhat dull.

    Larry
     
  12. racca

    racca Active Member

    Messages:
    283
    Location:
    Centerville, UT
    Well, this is interesting. You are at exactly the same spot I am on a Custom Electra V restoration. I just pulled the electronics on Sunday.

    Thanks for the cleaning instructions, Larry. I'll be putting those to good use in a few days.

    I'm also made a list of all the caps that need to be replaced, and am working on a list of replacements. A lot of good information in this older thread:

    http://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/1st-fisher-62-custom-electra-v-460a-460t.556697/
     
  13. MtnAudio

    MtnAudio AK Subscriber Subscriber

    Messages:
    106
    Location:
    Santa Cruz, CA
    Thanks Larry, sounds straight forward. Making a trip to HD today.
    Questions on the cleaning:

    The chassis sheet metal body is a little dirty but in pretty good shape, do I need to use the polish to remove cleaner residue or can I let it go if it looks ok, hate to remove the lettering and it's inside the console?

    Should I treat the bottom/inside with just the CRC too?

    Once this cleanup is done should I go into the pots and RCAs with Deoxit D5?

    I am going to use the 210, may go to an ATE cartridge, but it works and it's period and I used the SPG3 to bring it down to 3 grams and it tracks so I'll clean and lube and go from there. Something is stuck and it keeps repeating and dropping at the 45 size when set to 33 and finishes playing a 33.

    Interested to see some pics of your console and your progress, I'll be posting. Thanks for the link to the other post, did a quick check out, I need to do something to get access to the photobucket pics.

    Great info all, I'll be back.
     
  14. larryderouin

    larryderouin You can be sure if it's Westinghouse??????? Subscriber

    Messages:
    20,459
    Location:
    Glen Burnie Md.
    The CRC Contact cleaner is a NON-RESIDUE Cleaner. No rinsing necessary.

    Insides of amps, preamps and tuners are generally clean enough to eat off of. Unless it's sat in water, has rodent tracks or leftovers, and or cobwebs, just brush it down with the paint brush.

    DeOxit in pots, switches and RCA Jacks is recommended highly. Once cleaned, finish them up with either DeOxit FADERLUBE (F-5) or CRC 6-26 Electronics lubricant.(Home Depot). The CRC does just as good a job lubricating them and is less expensive to boot.

    When you use the polish, cut small strips of Masking tape (blue,green or tan) and lay it over the lettering. Then go to town with the polishing.
     
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2018
  15. gadget73

    gadget73 junk junkie Subscriber

    Messages:
    33,946
    Location:
    Southern NJ
    I do all my first-pass cleaning with a cheap paint brush and/or an acid brush just to get the dust and loose crap off. Evaluate from there. Undersides very rarely need anything more than a light dusting and when they do its usually because a rodent made a home in there or the amp got used as an outside door stop. If that happens you'll know it and you will have all sorts of ugly to deal with.
     
  16. MtnAudio

    MtnAudio AK Subscriber Subscriber

    Messages:
    106
    Location:
    Santa Cruz, CA
    Made my HD run and am ready to get started. Undersides do look very good and I'll just give them a quick dusting, as well as a dusting up top for the loose stuff.. Have some Mother's from other projects so I'll do a little polishing too, thinking it will clean up real nice. I'll post some after pics.

    Anyone venture an opinion on that piece of opaque plastic in my earlier post/pic?
     
  17. larryderouin

    larryderouin You can be sure if it's Westinghouse??????? Subscriber

    Messages:
    20,459
    Location:
    Glen Burnie Md.
    Get rid of the opaque plastic. The opening is a vent for the Tuner/pre underside. Granted not a lot of heat under there but still.................
     
  18. MtnAudio

    MtnAudio AK Subscriber Subscriber

    Messages:
    106
    Location:
    Santa Cruz, CA
    Getting my sea legs by getting ready to clean the MPX unit and thought I'd ask.

    Do I need to remove the square cans, transformer and coil, indicated in the picture that are present on the MPX and tuner/pre prior to the cleaning process? Looks like they clip on.

    Would rather leave them if that is alright.
     

    Attached Files:

  19. gadget73

    gadget73 junk junkie Subscriber

    Messages:
    33,946
    Location:
    Southern NJ
    Don't remove those. They sort-of clip in but they are also soldered in underneath, the spring clip is just what holds it there.
     
  20. larryderouin

    larryderouin You can be sure if it's Westinghouse??????? Subscriber

    Messages:
    20,459
    Location:
    Glen Burnie Md.
    Just put a piece of masking tape over the hole in the top. Do the same on the tuner section.
     

Share This Page