This forum is for discussion of leading edge new gear, regardless of cost. Today, the very best gear of yesteryear is highly sought-after, and commands high prices, just like it did when new. A Marantz 19 was $1,200 back in the 70s, when a car was $2,000. This forum is about finding future classics amidst the myriad of new offerings. Discussion of measurements is fine, but this is a subjectivist-friendly forum. What you can't do in here: 1. Comments on value are generally not permitted, unless you're comparing two pieces of new gear in the same price range. 2. All of the usual comments about eating the rich, overpricing, vintage is better, snake oil, etc. are prohibited. 3. All of the usual audio debates are prohibited, meaning objectivist vs subjectivist, tubes vs SS, digital vs analog, and of course, cables sounding alike vs different. Generally, if it feels like you're getting up on your usual soapbox, get back down. 4. Pay special attention to the new 'thread crap' rule, which will be enforced rigidly in here. Any post that violates the intention of the forum, or the thread, will be culled and the poster banned from this forum.