Going to dip my toes in the Power Cord abyss

Discussion in 'The Cutting Edge' started by Hyfi, Nov 27, 2017.

  1. botrytis

    botrytis Trying not to be a Small Speaker Hoarder Subscriber

    WOW - I don't think I would have the patience or anything else to do it that for. I will just have to go on the other side of a concrete wall for mine.
     

     

    Please register to disable this ad.

  2. Wildcat

    Wildcat Audio Sommelier

    Messages:
    4,478
    Location:
    SCS, MI (near a lake)
    If this weren't a rental, I would have installed a dedicated line by now. (Not that the owner would mind, but I'd rather not lose out on the cost, plus I don't think there are any spare breaker locations in the panel.) It's easy here. I'd just run a 10 gauge outside from the basement, run the conduit to the family room about 15-20 feet at the most, and punch it through the wall. I just realized now that I could also do it near the cold air return, but it is nowhere near my system. It's tempting though, especially if I decided to rearrange the room. I could it with a hospital grade plug and be done with it. (I'd rather not leave a PS Audio Power Port in the house when I move. ;) )

    As fate worked out, I managed to find two used AC-3s over the past couple of days, and they are headed to me now. Now I just need another AC-5, and to find someone who an put an IEC jack into my power amp without harming anything. (C-J can do it for like $300 or something, but that doesn't include shipping both ways.)

    I am waiting for someone to develop audiophile circuit breakers. It's inevitable. :D
     
  3. E-Stat

    E-Stat Addicted Member

    Messages:
    5,291
    Enjoy your evaluations. I specified dedicated lines for the basement listening room when we built our previous house twenty years ago. Soon after I moved to my current house, I had two 20A lines added to the music room. I puchased my first aftermarket cord after a reviewer friend lent me three of his Kimber Palladians to audition over a weekend. I was quite surprised they could have such an audible effect.

    I just have to smile every time I read speculative ramblings (especially semi-coherent ones) about distance from transformers and sub stations when these individuals don’t understand the villains live in our homes. They’re not miles away. Unfortunately, there are now legions of switch mode power supplies used by all manner of modern devices that happily spew RFI grunge back into the AC. Virtually every digital component also radiates noise which can be readily picked up by amplification devices. Even heroic sized power supplies require some active filtration.
     
    jwrauch and Wildcat like this.
  4. Wildcat

    Wildcat Audio Sommelier

    Messages:
    4,478
    Location:
    SCS, MI (near a lake)
    There are "noise harvesters" that will suck up some of that grunge from the lines. It has me thinking that I could put a few in strategic places around the house, like on the same outlet as my power brick where I charge everything.

    Our homes, and also the homes around us, and anything along the line. That incoming power is cruddy, and our homes only crud it up more. :D

    I likely will have some sort of power regenerator in the future but not for a few years. I have other things to upgrade first.
     
  5. E-Stat

    E-Stat Addicted Member

    Messages:
    5,291
    I tried a couple of them and found little benefit.

    I prefer direct approaches such as avoiding devices that pollute the line (switch mode power supplies) and use conditioners for sources and shielded cords for amplification devices.
     
    jwrauch likes this.
  6. Wildcat

    Wildcat Audio Sommelier

    Messages:
    4,478
    Location:
    SCS, MI (near a lake)
    Definitely the better way to go if it's possible. So I'm already set on the shielding and conditioning. (Sounds like an ad for hair care products. :D )

    I know how harvesters work, and know of a few who have tried them with a noticeable effect (I won't say perfect effect though, as I've seen they always want to add more and more harvesters...and that's a rabbit hole!) but for sure, it's an indirect approach that can never be as good as direct.
     

     

    Please register to disable this ad.

  7. Wildcat

    Wildcat Audio Sommelier

    Messages:
    4,478
    Location:
    SCS, MI (near a lake)
    Both of my AC3s have arrived--great deals on both, and one was even still new in the factory box. The used cable looked like new. The only change I had to make in my rack was to swap the preamp and the Oppo, since the preamp was on the top shelf and the IEC outlet on the opposite end from where I have the conditioner beside the rack. It was only like three inches short. Once I can rearrange the room and get the Dectet behind the rack rather than alongside it, then I will have an easier time routing the cords. All I have left is to get another AC5 to use on the power amp (once I get the IEC connector installed).

    I haven't had much chance to compare cords yet, however. I did not notice an immediate difference, but I did notice on a track I have listened to a lot lately that the percussion seemed to be more "sorted," if that makes sense--I was listening as background while working, and it made me stop and take notice that I was hearing individual percussion instruments better than I had before. Highs also seem slightly smoother than they did previously, and I find I am turning up the system just a little bit more now since it sounds so good. ;)
     
  8. Hyfi

    Hyfi Addicted Member

    Messages:
    5,172
    Location:
    Bucks County, PA
    Sorted is a very good way to say it. Like any other upgrade, I am working my way thru lots of disks and hearing things much clearer. So my take again, is that the good sound was always there, but layers of interference shrouds it. Also, i agree on the volume. The better it sounds, the more volume without the grunge that makes you want to turn it down. Now I want to get a few more for other gear.
     
    Wildcat likes this.
  9. Wildcat

    Wildcat Audio Sommelier

    Messages:
    4,478
    Location:
    SCS, MI (near a lake)
    Luckily I have little left to add a power cord to--just the power amp (for now, and no rush there until I convert it to an IEC input). I already had these components going through separate zones on the Dectet, so it could be the difference I heard was not as audible since some of that crud was already being cleared away. My weak link, other than the in-wall wiring, is the $1 wall outlet--it just about holds the AC5. I will just upgrade to a hospital grade outlet there, so I get better grip.

    If I end up with speakers that I want to bi-amp and need to use a second power amp with, or get speakers with powered woofers, then I suppose an upgrade in cords will be needed for those as well.

    My phono stage needs a linear power supply--for as good as it is, the cheap wall wart with the skinny cable is not giving me much confidence. A linear power supply might have its own captive cord, and I could see myself having to make my own DC cable to go from the power supply to the phono stage. (I am considering a change to a different phono stage, but that one I believe also might use a wall wart, which is why I am waiting before making a change here.)

    The turntable also uses a wall wart, although a much higher quality unit. But since the TT uses a DC motor and has the on-board speed control, there really isn't a need for improvement there.
     
  10. 4-2-7

    4-2-7 Smart Ass Sponsor Subscriber

    Messages:
    25,705
    Location:
    San Francisco Peninsula
    How about a battery pack? Batteries are generally considered better for phono stages as it isolates it from AC current.

    Wall Wart for a charger> Battery Pack with cable > Phono Stage

    You can even disconnect the battery from the AC source when using the stage.
     
    Last edited: Dec 15, 2017
    asilker likes this.
  11. Mojo Warrior

    Mojo Warrior Reality Star

    Messages:
    155
    Location:
    Eastern Sierra
    For less money, you might want to try a Hubbell Hospital Grade receptacle. I was a sceptic but was surprised at the improvement on my highly resolving main system. Disclaimer: My old house has 80 year old electrical wiring.
     
    Wildcat likes this.

     

    Please register to disable this ad.

  12. Wildcat

    Wildcat Audio Sommelier

    Messages:
    4,478
    Location:
    SCS, MI (near a lake)
    Not far behind. The house was built in 1940. But the addition on the back was built circa mid 80s, according to the neighbors. So it is a mix of old and not so old. There is also a ground problem in that room I need to address.
     
  13. Wildcat

    Wildcat Audio Sommelier

    Messages:
    4,478
    Location:
    SCS, MI (near a lake)
    And yes, I'm checking out the Hubbell receptacles--there are many. :thumbsup: Leviton has some as well. Not sure if one would be preferred over another, but anything has to beat the current $1 outlets in the room.

    My problem with the ground issue is that it is disconnected somewhere in the house. I believe all of the outlets in the family room are on the same circuit, but I am not sure if others are. The family room and the kitchen expansion both extend the back of the house by about 14 feet (inside), so both have the current wiring (as opposed to 1940 era wiring in the rest of the house). I am thinking the new kitchen outlets should be on their own circuit. They likely are not, however, tapped into the old kitchen circuit. But at any rate, the way the seven outlets are daisy-chained around the family room, the loose ground could be anywhere at any of those outlets. The grounds are all connected at the breaker panel, so that leaves a disconnected ground somewhere else.
     
  14. Wildcat

    Wildcat Audio Sommelier

    Messages:
    4,478
    Location:
    SCS, MI (near a lake)
    Found the ground problem, right at the outlet in the middle of the room. Two lines lead to elsewhere in the room (one incoming from the breaker panel, and two outgoing left and right to the other outlets), so there is a lot of wiring crammed into the box. They used a single bare copper wire to go from the outlet to the wire nut, so that wire nut has four wires stuffed into it. But it's all tightly reconnected so we're good to go now.

    This is how I found it when I pulled the outlet:

    IMG_20171216_233044-01.jpeg
     
  15. Hyfi

    Hyfi Addicted Member

    Messages:
    5,172
    Location:
    Bucks County, PA
    So I procrastinated a bit before ordering another Pangea cable after someone pointed me to Maze Audio. I read some reviews and looked at the connectors and construction.
    If you order from the web site with Paypal, the same cables are $10 cheaper.

    I just ordered a 4' Eden Power cable in Black/Blue for $59.95 plus $9.95 shipping.
    http://www.mazeaudio.com/power-cables.html

    I should have it in about 1 week and will probably use it on my APC, which will free up a PS Audio AC3 for my Pre Amp and that frees up a Pangea AC14 SE MKII that I will use on my Oppo.

    The Maze cable is 10gauge but per reviews, way more flexible than the Pangea AC9 and better results

    [​IMG]
     
    Wildcat likes this.
  16. Wildcat

    Wildcat Audio Sommelier

    Messages:
    4,478
    Location:
    SCS, MI (near a lake)
    They do have some interesting products--the speaker wiring caught my eye. I just hate to order speaker wire since, if I move the system in the room or reconfigure where everything is located, or move to another house, the lengths will be off.

    Their Reference4 power cords caught my eye as well...

    upload_2018-1-22_13-31-7.png

    I missed out on a killer deal on a PS Audio AC-5, but, I'm sure there will be others. My Oppo 105 came with a nice cord, and I ended up using that on my little tube amp on my desk, as it was a few inches longer and allowed me to put the amp in a better place.
     

     

    Please register to disable this ad.

  17. Hyfi

    Hyfi Addicted Member

    Messages:
    5,172
    Location:
    Bucks County, PA
    Yeah, all the cords look decent, but most out of my budget. But reviews are specifically claiming better results over Pangea and I wanted something thicker than 12g so the Eden makes perfect sense and not to costly to give a try.

    Pretty sure the one you posted is all Hand Braided.
     
  18. Wildcat

    Wildcat Audio Sommelier

    Messages:
    4,478
    Location:
    SCS, MI (near a lake)
    Yep, it is! They have speaker cables and interconnects hand braided as well.
     
  19. Hyfi

    Hyfi Addicted Member

    Messages:
    5,172
    Location:
    Bucks County, PA
    Wow, I am floored right about now. I am not so sure anyone should be dealing with Kent Maze, he appears a bit touchy and irritable if you ask him any questions.

    He cancelled my order and refunded my payment seconds after I emailed and asked him if I got the right tracking number because it kept telling me there was nothing to track.

    You tell me, was I way off base asking about the tracking?

    --------------

    Hi,
    Wednesday morning I got an email with a tracking number for the shipment.
    xxxxxxxxx
    Still today when I try to track from the included link or directly on the USPS tracking page, all I get is the below message so I am trying to figure out if the package actually shipped or not.
    Tracking Number: xxxxx
    Status
    Label Created, not yet in system
    A status update is not yet available on your Priority Mail® package. It will be available when the shipper provides an update or the package is delivered to USPS. Check back soon.


    Kent Maze
    7:36 AM (14 minutes ago)

    to me
    [​IMG]
    Let me explain something to you. My sons and I run Maze Audio for pleasure. It’s not a business. We are each audiophiles and very much enjoy building quality cables and components to further the hobby. We make these products available to other hobbyists to further their enjoyment. When we get overly demanding customers acting like their small purchase is somehow supposed to be a priority for us and should be pushed to the top of our list it very much takes the enjoyment out of our endeavor.

    On Monday you asked about shipping I said "Assuming quick payment, the cord will probably ship Wednesday.” The PayPal invoice that you paid on Tuesday stated shipment within seven days. Today is day number two. The cord is done, packaged, and was to be dropped at the Post Office this AM. However, I have learned that demanding “customers” generally are very difficult to make happy under any circumstance. I believe you will be better served obtaining your cables elsewhere.

    I have canceled your order and refunded your money in full.
    [​IMG]

    to Kent
    [​IMG]
    Kent,

    I was just confused about getting a tracking number that was not tracking anything. I had no idea about the size of your business. I read many reviews of your cables and decided to try one instead of another Pangea. I don't think I was a "Demanding Customer" but rather one that asks questions and becomes informed. I never demanded anything, I merely asked for information.

    If this is how you are going to treat customers just making sure they didn't get a correct tracking number, I will relay this to others that are also interested in your cables. Some of who are waiting for my review of this cable.

    Cheers,
    Brian[​IMG]

    Kent Maze
    7:45 AM (5 minutes ago)
    to me
    [​IMG]
    Sounds good to me. Enjoy your day
     
  20. Wildcat

    Wildcat Audio Sommelier

    Messages:
    4,478
    Location:
    SCS, MI (near a lake)
    Wow. Someone's a wee bit touchy! If it's that much of an imposition, why sell them in the first place? Or at least just mention it's a three-person operation and shipping can get a bit tight at times. A little good customer service never hurt anyone.

    I had that on Amazon--package was shown by USPS as having the tracking number generated, but no movement. I waited a week and a half and contacted the seller, asking to cancel if there was a slim chance it hadn't left their facility. In this case, the seller was nice enough to admit that he had goofed personally, and the package was still sitting in their shipping room, so he issued my refund immediately. No hard feelings and I left some nice feedback anyway. Mistakes happen, and the seller was courteous in letting me know how it happened.

    But, more strangeness--I ordered a camera bag Monday morning, and the eBay seller marked it shipped within an hour. No movement on the tracking number. Yesterday it arrives on my front porch...Priority Mail. Wonder how that got through the system without a trace. Another shipment is coming today by Priority Mail and it has the usual tracking information available.
     
    slimecity likes this.

Share This Page