walked in to my local goodwill last week,saw a box on the shelf for a Pioneer VSX-1020-k taped up and priced for $7.99. i was thinking someone put their old unit in the box and then taped it back up...but i had to look inside anyway...and guess what...it had the brand new Pioneer VSX-1020-K inside!!! picked it up went to the cashier as fast as i could. to top it off it was senior discount day!...got 15% off...so my total for the brand new Poneer was...$6.49!!!...best find yet for me!!!