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Discussion in 'Sports & Outdoor Adventure' started by Yamaki, Mar 2, 2016.

  1. Yamaki

    Yamaki Not For Hire Subscriber

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    Thanks, Dirk. I spent a lot of time going back and forth on what to buy. I've had wheelguns and semi-auto handguns from Ruger, several Colt, S&W and even Walther. For some reason I ended up with fewer 1911 style handguns and they are all Springfields. I still have my Ruger GP100, a Ruger MKII & MKIV plus one Smith Model 29

    No sir, I was never an LEO. My service was through the USAF. I have relatives that have served as an LEO with the OSP, Linn County & Multnomah County Sheriff's Departments and one just retired after an officer with the Woodburn PD.

    Are you out in the Hood River area?
     

     

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  2. Dirk Willims

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    Yamaki, regarding Hood River, I did spend 18 months with the Hood River County Sheriffs Office. Nice area, I'm from Klamath Falls, and was offed a job back here, with the PD. My family was in KF, so I took the Job. Was good to get home, the agency is/ was very problematic.

    Still in KF, have been since 90. Love the area.

    Merry Christmas.

    Dirk
     
  3. Dirk Willims

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    I hesitate to mention this but, it's worth consideration. All my sniper grade rifles each have their own suppressor. I've become a big fan of cans. I still shoot with a crew who are retired Special Forces troopers retired. It's so pleasant to not require ears on the range.

    As long as your behind the shooter the DB's are reasonable. We're old and our ears ring constantly anyways so we don't worry about it.

    Anyways the reason each rifle has it own can is, a can WILL change zero most of the time. Mine are all tuned to the specific rifle.

    Just for fun, my rifles are

    338lm
    300wm
    3006
    .308
    .243
    .223

    The 06 is out of the lime up now, being rebarrel ex, with a Krieger #9 26 OAL.
    The .223 is really my rat gun but it's accurate to 600y, when I'm having a good day. Rarely shoot rats past 200y.

    The .243 was my solution to the 6.5. All my associates all built 6.5s, I'm not one to follow the pack. By the way I'm running the 115 grain DTAC bullets. We routinely stood the .242s and the 6.5s to 1200y. We have hits out to 1670y, one mile. The problem with those shots is calling splash, for corrections. While we leave the mile target it's rare we shoot it anymore.

    Before I get reamed about the virtues of the 6.5, it should be understood that the 6.5, the .243. The .260. And the NOW popular 6mms are ballistically the same. The bullet BC"s are incredible.

    Shooting those distances requires one to have the ability to accurately measure the distance. Then accurately dial the measure dope and environmental data into the shoot computers.

    Crap data in, crap shots. Solid data solid shooting.


    Our range is my friends 7k achre ranch, we have 25,,, AR500 targets and roughly 30 mild steel targets we can move, we shoot off of the top of a field in valcano crater picture a high semi circle, we have targets fron 560y to 1760y. Up hill down hill we even have a couple targets in the middle of the lake, it's a shorter steep downhill shot, I love impact and spall hitting the water like a frag granade going off, kinda Kool.

    The Kool part is the majority of the targets can be ranged and shot from multiple directions and distances.

    The other guys have their still AD " active duty" friends visit and shoot our range. When your with this crowd, you don't ask questions, but you sure here some interesting stuff.

    The range is mine, has been since I started building it in 1991. I've had these guys visiting ask if they could bring their friends out and do their " Work Ups" out their. To the man, theve com,ended on just how Sand box-ish the area is.



    Lastly the ranch is at 4200ft to 45ooft. In the summer when we're doing our environmental data recording. The DA, " Density Altitude often measure at 9000ft to 11000ft, . If your a shooter you will understand the significance of the actuall differences.

    Rather then dialing your dope, for the known 4200 ft. The weather machines are telling us were at 10.000 ft, so you dial that series of numbers into the shoot computers. The " Kestrel line of pocket Weather trackers are amazing tools. If your a serious shooter, you need something capable of measuring DA, and other units of measure wind cross wind, wind direction etc etc.

    I'm running a kestrel 4500, she's 9 years old now, I'll be purchasing a new Kestrel end of Jan, or Feb. mines just the weather station, I have a separate shoot computer. Kestrel has perfected the kestrel 6000 or 6500 it's now the weather station and the shoot computer all in one.Their a fantastic piece of kit.

    We all have high end range fimders, mine are "Leica binos" Their the " Geovid: 10x42 HD, models. Their now ten years old as well. They work as if their brand new. The goal was a very high end bino, and a range finder combo,.so I don't have to carry a bunch of different pieces of kit.

    The last piece of kit that needs to be decent is your spotting scope. I had been using an older German Stiener Spotter, but it just got old , I replace that spotting scope with the newer Vortex Razor HD, 20x60x85 unit with the angled eye piece. This spotting scope is fantastic.

    All the guys who are AD, bring their kit when they come out. So I've shot some unreal rifles, and used some gear most are not even aware off. This includes military spotting scopes. I would put this Vortex spotter up against any of the SF guys equipment I've played with. In my humble opinion the Vortex is that good.

    Even better a LIFE TIME warrantee!. I've had to send in some early vortex red dot sights, off of my m-4s in,,,,and without question they were replaced without the newer versions. I admit I literally beat the crap out of those red dots, dropping my m4s, sliding down mountains rifle beating on rocks.

    I also sent in one of my three HD rifle scopes two years ago. They repaired the scope, something was loose in the turrant . They told me if it came loose again they would replace the scope with a new unit. Solid company.

    Wow, if you can't tell I love talking long range and gear.


    Good guns require good kit to keep em in the game. I've missed many family vacations to buy a high end piece of kit. I've never regretted it.

    Their's just something magical about ranging a target you can hardly see, measuring the environmental's plugging all the dope/data into the computer scrolling to " come ups" dialing the correct numbers pressing the trigger, sweeping to re aquire the target, and calling your own shot, based on bullet " trace" it's very rewarding.

    I've never grown tired of the art of lomg range shooting.

    I've been fortunate, being a police officer, I've had access to some of the best shooting schools in the nation. I've been instructed by some of the best shoot instructors on the planet. I've paid my own way thru about 1/2 half of the schools. Anything above advance sniper schools came out of my pocket, travel, bullets, room etc etc.

    From time to time some of those instructors happen to be in the area, or passing through, and crash here for the night. Our student teacher relationships turned into,some great friendships.

    They say LIFE is the lesson. I agree, I would add that we onLy get out of life, what we invest in life. I've been Blessed.


    Sorry didn't mean to ramble.

    Merry Christmas to you all, and A Happy New Year.

    Dirk
     
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  4. Yamaki

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    @Dirk Williams ... I'm headed your way with stacks of rifles and boxes of ammo!!! That range sounds awesome.

    What tripod are you using for the spotting scope? I have a cheaper photographer's aluminum one but hate how the thing barely supports the weight of the Vortex I have plus it always seems to droop and move around with the slightest touch. I'm in the market for a better tripod and love the scope I have.

    -Michael
     
  5. Dirk Willims

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    Mike come on down. I'm available starting Fed 1. I'm having a lower back procedure Jan 23, should be GTG, by the 1st.

    I guess I should finish the range description. Their's a pit we use for m4 and pistol, actually theirs two pits. Can shoot up to 90y in the pits.

    Like two years ago we set targets down a dry creek bed. the sheriffs office was using it to practice inserts, and exfil The 500 helo Would land quickly, by the count of five the driver was pulling pitch headed out. The deputies would go to ground, when clear a patrol was sent down the creek bed, engaging targets as they moved.

    I was safety officer, didn't do any of the fun stuff. Think it went ok. The training is used to magnify problems, many were identified. Police don't have a clue what battle drills are. When you mention flank, they look at their hip. Not understanding that some of the gardens actually have folks I. Them with their shit in one sock.


    They picked it up quickly.

    Seriously come on down, we may have to set some of the targets, the fall cattle out their, love to use the targets to scratch their backs. Usually a few targets get tipped over. It's no big deal set em, walk back start shooting.


    Dirk
     
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  6. Yamaki

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    I'm gonna have to get me a long range rifle! I gave my boys their grandfather's & great grandpa's rifles I had inherited so I have nothing with a tube longer than 16" now, those being both Ruger AR platforms in 5.56 & 7.62.

    I've been looking at the SA M1A Loaded and the Ruger Precision Rifle, both in 6.5 Creedmoor. I've never built a rifle for long range nor do I have a lot of experience in setting up for distances beyond 300 yds so I have a pretty steep learning curve nor do I know if a gas or traditional bolt action rifle would be more accurate at longer distances.

    I got a buddy down in Roseburg with a SA M1A Loaded in 7.62 and he really likes the piece. I keep looking back at that one as well (I do like the 7.62/168 gr round) but I think when it gets down to how you plan on using it, the 6.5 shines when punching steel or paper due to it's BC. If I was hunting game at relatively sane ranges, I'd go for the additional bullet weight & kinetic energy of the 7.62.

    I'm undecided on which way to go, i.e., gas vs. traditional bolt action. But I'll eventually get there.
     
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  7. rudedogg

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    Wow Dirk! Sounds like you have a fantastic playground! Thanks for sharing your experience and information with us. I need to find a good place to shoot long range recreationally. I do believe there are some farmers who allow it, and there are quarrys nearby that may be an option. I can’t wait to get an optic on my RPR. For the money, warranty, and with the positive personal experience accounts such as yours, I think I will go with a Vortex product.
    Merry Christmas
     
  8. Dirk Willims

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    I'm 62 now, I started collecting in 1976 ish. I view weapons as investments. I've missed many many vacations, to purchase guns.

    I own a lot of guns. I've got a few m-14s, mine are M-14 E models with the switchs removed. Have a socom, and I have BM 59s, and BM 62s. I was going to purchase two more bm59s, before Jan 3rd, but I found a set of Khorns clones, in great shape.so I'm snapping them up. Then the BM59s. James armory putting out a really well Made BM59.

    I started buying these guns when they were like under 300.00, also got many FNFALS. A couple G-3s, actually the 91, semi auto.

    Regarding which rifle to long range shoot. I shoot bolt guns, I've got maybe 14-1500 rounds out of SR-25s, their ok, not my cup of tea.

    Their are a couple boutique shops out their that I would seriously consider their ar-10 contribution. La Rue, makes in my oppinion the finest ar 308 out their. Give it a year another shop with become the flavor of the week.

    While I've shot a couple LaRue 308s, I couldn't tell you exactly what the difference was. They just worked for me.

    If I had to offer advice, it would be just that. Buy or build what works for you.
     
  9. Dirk Willims

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    Had the oppertunity to shoot a lot of SR-25s, military rifles.so,etching about the semi auto sniper grade doesn't work for me.until a couple gents showed up with La Rue ar-10s. O my they just worked for me. Only shot a few mags thru each, which was 175 g, mil issue ammo. I was really really really impressed.

    You asked about tripods. My spotter is on the Vortex quick collapse unit. It's lite weight, but solid, works fully extended, or off of the ground.

    The a twist lock, as long as your twist is effective they works well.ive never had any side of the tripod collapse.

    Wanted to,talk about ammo selection for a second. I roll my own, got,a green machine and a room dedicated to loading and stereo storage, and it's a mess right now. Seriously any single stage press is a fantastic way to build your own bullets.

    My RCBS " green machine" has served me well for thirty years. I do have a Dillon 650, I've never even considered loading precision rounds on it.

    I've got power dumps for each caliber, but for the past 15 years I've used the RCBS 1500 electric powder dump. I use to load five rounds then measure the grains in ever sister bullet. Over the years I've found the 1500 to be sooooo accurate, that I no longer worry about it. The weighing is done via rcbs's digital scales, simply put a fantastic tool.

    Admittedly I've gotten a bit sloppy over the years, the power I use for .308 is Varget, at 24.5 g for the Sierra 175 g bullet, or the Berger 175g bullets. I've gone back to the sierras, I can purchase 500 bullets for what Berger gets for 250.

    I use to strive for sub minute MOA, like 1/2. Easily done, but I'm retired now and for the money the Sierra's do everything sub MOA, and if I buckle down I can get to the 1/2 MOA, accuracy.

    It's a moot exercise 1 MOA or 1/2 MOA, the targets history either way. While I enjoy the 1/2 MOA stuff, I enjoy shooting twice the amount for the same cost. It's a matter of economics, anymore.

    I've got roughly 1600 308 cases I need to prep and load. I'm tough on brass, via inspection. My loads are not overly hot at 24.5 g of Varnets.

    I generally get 19000 rounds out of a barrel. But then I'm buying what I consider to be the best barrels on the market. I exclusively use Krieger#9 barrels, with no lightening groves, or spirals. Looks like a piece of heavy lead pipe threaded for a can.

    I'd like to suggest a little shop here in Klamath whos building some awesome rifles, the quality of their rifles is every bit as good as the high end shops across the nation. I have rifles built by all the top smiths, and find these two young men's builds to be actually a bit better. Their attention to detail is u real. I attribute that to both being OCDC. Lol.

    Northwest Rifle Actions, started in Portland. Then the boys moved home. Evan and Mason, if your wanting a stick built. At least call the boys and talk to them. They did my last build, for 3200.00, the big boys would have charged 7/9000.00
    For the same build.

    Again I have rifles built by a lot, " not all" but a lot of the gun builder personalities in theUS. Buy with confidence. I will warn you their backed up, may take a year to get your rifle. I work with these guys, and they are my racing sailboat crew,, my rifle even being close to them still goes into the rotation. I'm fine with that. I'm just another shooter, nobody special.

    I'm a gun guy, if you can't tell. I've been very blessed. I got into firearms as a young man.

    My concern is when I pass, my kids just are not into guns. But I see quality gums as money in the bank, guns are a solid investment. Should I sell I'll not loose anything, in fact I'd make money, but I don't sell guns. I keep em clean lubed and enjoy pulling the one I rarely shoot out just to feel them.


    Merry Christmas.

    Mike, have a look at the NW rifle actions web site. If your considering a build, they just might be the ticket. I like them for the simple fact that I get the rifle done exactly the way I want it.

    Dirk
     
  10. Yamaki

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    Thanks for the information on Northwest Rifle Actions, Dirk. I'll go check out their website and start my 2019 Christmas list early. ;)

    Merry Christmas!

    -Michael
     
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    Hey Dirk, as I was reading through I noticed your having a back procedure done soon. I instantly put out a prayer for you. I wish you the best man.
     

     

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  12. Yamaki

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    We're pulling for ya, Dirk. Let us know how you are doin'.
     
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    EAA MKA1919

    Not mine, but I own one like it...
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