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Discussion in 'Cameras and Photography' started by Killer Fox, Jan 26, 2018.

  1. Killer Fox

    Killer Fox Super Member

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    I'm also now looking at a Canon 7D Mark II body only for about $1,000. That is in my budget range as well.
     

     

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  2. mhedges

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    Full frame theoretically is better but it is much more expensive, and everything is bigger and heavier. Crop sensor is as good as anyone needs for any reasonable use. I've made 28"x40" canvas prints from my crop sensor camera and they look great, even very close up.

    Think of it this way - crop sensor at say 20+ megapixels gives more resolution and detail than what any 35mm film based system would give. But I recall pro's had no issue shooting 35mm. Lets face it - a lot of pro's are gear snobs and can't deal with the idea that consumer "kit" type stuff can produce outstanding images, that in many or most uses are indistinguishable from what their gear would produce. Plus they can deduct their gear costs etc. so the increased expense isn't really an issue.

    Here is a 100% crop of an image I took with my D5500 on Wednesday. It's what - 3 or so inches wide on a typical monitor? And it still looks pretty good. If you made a print that size it would be 33" x 50". And if you really wanted to go bigger you could, because who is going to be looking at huge prints close up?

    web crop.jpg

    Well just make sure you are looking at all the available sources when checking lens cost. When it comes to Nikon kit lenses you can get them very cheap off eBay gray market. Typically about half the retail price. There is no way I would pay retail.

    As far as your earlier question about what lenses to get - I would consider skipping the kit lens altogether and go with:

    10-20mm wide angle
    35mm f/1.8 "standard" lens
    55-200 or 70-300 telephoto (IS/VR is a must on this)

    I have found KenRockwell.Com to be a good source for gear reviews. He seems to be pretty straight about stuff. Just watch out because sometimes it seems like he writes "reviews" for stuff he has not actually owned.
     
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  3. nj pheonix

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    Honestly ,
    I'm behind the curve.
    I've had 3 of the rebel line.
    I'm at a loss to tell you models. I'm sure they are all discontinued. (I don't think they use the rebel name anymore. I'm sure I had an XTi, and XSi, I know I have a newer one , I think 2 generations newer). I also inherited a 10D and a 50D.
    I don't really think you can go wrong with any of the new DSLRs.
    My go to lens is the 18-55 stabilized zoom.
    I think you're getting good advice from everyone here.
    While no lens does everything great.
    This gives you a lightweight mid wide to mid Tele and a little protection from camera shake in a small package.
    I think you'll be surprised how much it's like shooting a film 35.
    Also if you haven't noticed.
    You can take a dozen shots (or more) of something. Throw away 11 (or more) . You don't have to worry about film roll size, processing costs, and your pc becomes a darkroom with powerful editing tools and your printer is an enlarger.
     
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    I'm not going to try to sway you towards one make or another, just give you some of my observations from my photographic journey.
    I've found that the camera body is only the box that holds the media the image is recorded on, be it film or digital.
    What really counts, at least in my opinion, is the lens used. Each lens has it's own character.
    I've come to enjoy being able to use many different lenses as no two are really alike. With my A7ii, every lens is image stabilized. This may not be important to you now, but think about the future and what you may encounter.
    I agree with you, Canon offers a lot of bang for the buck, but I can adapt those same lenses to my camera and reap the same benefits.
    I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't limit yourself by zeroing in on one mfg'r until you've explored more.
     
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  5. Killer Fox

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    Totally agree. I just want to make sure I make a good decision.
     
  6. Killer Fox

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    I ended up ordering the Canon 80D today. It was a great price. This morning there were 10 in stock and there were only 3 left when I ordered this evening.

    I'm waiting to order the extra lenses until I figure out what I need.
     

     

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  7. 8xlaxx

    8xlaxx Gotta gun creep? Shamu's got one, borrow his. Subscriber

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    Get the best glass that you can afford and research the L line well. There are some deals in reach with a 70-200mm and Teleconverter.

    The 17-55mm and 24-105 L are affordable and decent walk-arounds.

    To be honest, I think you were on the right track with the 7D MkII (you mentioned wildlife). Great speed and good AF improvements over the older 7D for sure.

    What's done is done and congrats on the new body!

    Oh,... a great book (no affil.):

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    Happy shooting!
     
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  8. Killer Fox

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    I'm hoping I don't regret it. This is Amazon Prime so a return would be easy though.

    Plus it is $1k body only so would end up over budget. Plus I didn't want anything bigger than the 80D. I figure if I get really into it I can add a larger full frame later.

    I hate trying to make "informed decisions" when I'm clueless. So frustrating. And all the models and model numbers get confusing.
     
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    8xlaxx Gotta gun creep? Shamu's got one, borrow his. Subscriber

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    It's all good. Move forward.

    I like to look at several things when it comes to camera gear,...

    1) Image quality, AF and getting the shot right (first time) in the camera is most important. Less photo post-processing and tweaking is best.

    2) Consider what you're going to get $-wise on the back end when you upgrade and have to sell your gear. This is important and needs consideration. You will get back more money when you upgrade L-lenses as they hold value extremely well, it's just the initial investment that hurts a little for the Ls. You'll be happy with the images though and the build quality of them.

    The 7D MkII is a very good body. If it were me (just saying), I'd sacrifice the speed and go to a FF, an older 5D MkII. A great, proven camera body. If you have a little bit more of a budget, grab a used 5D MkIII with low shutter count. You will not be disappointed whatsoever.
     
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    8xlaxx Gotta gun creep? Shamu's got one, borrow his. Subscriber

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    ^^^^ I'm too lazy to go back and review the thread to see if someone mentioned this already, but you will have more reach with the crop but there's just something about FF that gets the image right and you don't have to do the math. :D
     
  11. Killer Fox

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    laxx that is the same thing I was reading in all the reviews.

    I'm definitely conflicted in FF vs CS especially since I haven't used them to know for myself and can't know what I prefer. So maybe better to go for the cheaper option for now.

    But yes image quality is priority one! As much as I can afford anyway.
     
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  12. 8xlaxx

    8xlaxx Gotta gun creep? Shamu's got one, borrow his. Subscriber

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    No affil.,...this is a very informative site:

    https://www.cameralabs.com/

    To be honest, if you slapped L-glass on a Rebel T2i you're images are gonna look pretty damn good, too. I was in the same boat as you,... I went 7D then just had to have the FF. Everybody's experience is different. Enjoy the ride!
     
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  13. Killer Fox

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    Thanks man. Can't have too many resources.
     
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  14. Killer Fox

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    Now you have me 2nd guessing myself. LOL
     
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    You will be just fine. Personally I can’t see how a 10 year old body would still be competitive with a current one in terms of AF, exposure, etc.
     
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    It depends on what you want and need. Do you really need very shallow DOF and/or extreme low light sensitivity? Then get full frame. Do you want something relatively light and comfortable to take out with you all day, without feeling like you have a small dumbbell around your neck? Then get crop.
     
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  18. Killer Fox

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    Hey just seeing this now. We are on the same page. After all that I canceled my order and looking for a FF.

    What would you buy right now with a $1,000 budget? I don't want to buy a used body. I'm thinking a 2017 or 2016 model to save money. I'll look for used lenses.

    You aren't confusing me. Quite the opposite. I appreciate it.
     
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    Now that I'm looking at FF the Canon 6D MKii seems to fit. The 7D is a crop body.

    Edit: Sorry, the MKii is over my budget. I meant the 1st gen 6D.
     
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  20. mhedges

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    Crop frame can look pretty good at high ISO too. Here’s a pic I just took at 16000 just for the heck of it:

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