How Much Does your Room contribute to overall listening Experience?

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Ratio of Equipment vs. Acoustics to the overall quality of the sound?

Poll closed Feb 15, 2018.
  1. Equipment 75% Room 25%

    23.8%
  2. Equipment 50% Room 50%

    47.6%
  3. Equipment 25% Room 75%

    28.6%
  4. I only used headphones

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    0.0%
  1. jeff's eight

    jeff's eight Member

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    When the poll ends I will publish the answer I found.
     

     

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  2. nyhifihead

    nyhifihead Well-Known Member

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    I voted 25% equipment 75% room

    No one wants to hear this but the room will have a larger sonic impact than any equipment besides speakers.

    Hard walls/floors will royally mess up your HF and MF responses from reflections & resonance

    LF modes are created by ratios of the room dimensions and chances are if your room is almost square your going to have some massive standing waves. LF always the hardest to tame and most resort to multiple subwoofers to equalize all these modes.

    Like everything else there's diminishing returns to room treatments. But first reflection points & corner bass traps still offer the best utility. Couple that with in room measurements & rew or similar dsp you can seriously flatten out your response

    I was floored by the sound when I got my gik corner traps and 242s. Separation of instruments and imaging increased substantially.
     
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  3. tcdriver

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    I selected 25% equipment / 75% room, however; it really depends on the specific room and equipment. Room treatments can help a lot but, starting with a room with good dimensions is a big step in the direction of getting good sound. Unfortunately, changing room dimensions is a lot more difficult that swapping out an amplifier or pre-amp.
     
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  4. BobHol

    BobHol Old fart Subscriber

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    I guessed at 50/50 because I'm in a good size room (half basement) with carpeting, paneling, and plenty of shelves. Just a wild ass guess though.
     
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  5. jeff's eight

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    NiFi-Where is the best place to buy sound traps reasonably? GIK?
    The ones I have seen will be rather low on the WAF.
    What is rew and dsp and 242's ?
     
  6. KLH9

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    Room acoustics followed by speaker placment then listening position.

    I've heard some awful sounding great systems in poorly set up listening rooms.

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  7. nyhifihead

    nyhifihead Well-Known Member

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    Gik is not cheap, but there advice is free and excellent. DIY is your best bet for room treatments, many guides around.

    Rew is Room EQ Wizard, free software that models eq filters based on measurements of your room to flatten response due to modes(room interactions) usually from 20-200hz.

    Dsp is digital signal processing, it's an EQ filter that is applied in the digital domain.

    242 is just a type of bass trap mare by gik acoustics. It's Corning 707 in some proprietary "enclosure". DIY panels using Corning 707 are just as good. I also have 244s on first reflections.
     
  8. jeff's eight

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    Thank you for all the tips. I can diy that kind of stuff. Is the Corning 707 available at big boxes?
     
  9. timmy.timmy

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    As a pure ratio it is 50/50. In a bad environment any great phono equipment will sound messy as any junk equipment will sound as messy in a great environment. Get them both great it is still 50/50 and both messy it is still 50/50. Ratio as in probability !
     
  10. Nemo bit

    Nemo bit Active Member

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    Moo Any room can be made to work. Some are an excssive amount of work and one must ask is it worth it. I think that it matters if you options to finding a better space are slim to none. If you require music as much as I you will find a way. It helps to have a virtual cornucopia of pieces of gear to chose from.
    I do. The variances given in the original question are only that variables. The bottom line is depending on the room different rooms will require different equipment different equipment will require different rooms if there was a standard to every room where it started then the above questions would be relevant but if you're truly dependent on Musical food for your soul you can make the best out of any space if you have the ability to alter either your room or your gear I don't know if that makes sense to most but to those whom it does. They will have the 1%... those listening rooms you hear that stand out. You may remember thinking it was their gear or the acoustics of the room the gear was in or perhaps some other detail.
    It's All of the above =100 % there is only one correct answer all of the above.:)
     
  11. Technics101

    Technics101 New Member

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    I'm late to this party, but I would've went 50/50. When we bought the house we're in now, I made a designated music room in the basement. All my music instruments and my vintage stereo setup are down there. I put carpet on the walls, the ceiling is acoustic tile and the floor is of course carpet as well. I don't get any room reverb and this is especially nice when trying to use precise reverb effects with my guitar. I love listening to music in this room. It just sounds so warm and feels right.
     

     

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  12. Mike-48

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    I would say 75% room -- the room is in the basement, and the soundproofing in its construction keeps me from hearing the HVAC and power-vented water heater in the other room. Talk about "noise floor"! The acoustic treatments control reverb time, slap echo, and first reflections. The equipment is great, too!
     
  13. FrostEOne

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    50/50 good gear won't sound it's best in bad room as bad gear won't sound good in a good room.
     

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