I’d love a fully balanced version of the C52 with ...

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  1. joeinid

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    the new digital module for future upgradability.

    Any chance of McIntosh releasing new preamps?
     
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    Gosh, back "in the day" McIntosh offered a basic pre-amp and a feature-laden pre-amp. Just two. Right now McIntosh has 11 pre-amps in their lineup!

    Larry
     
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    And I think only one fully balanced.

     
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    C100
     
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    I've been looking.

     
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    Fully Balanced
    Outstanding Phono Stage
    A Preamp that gets out of the way of the music, and has more inputs out puts than any other 2ch preamp.

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    And the MC SUT inside the preamp

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    Beautiful preamp and photos.

    Unfortunately I am not seeing any for sale.

     
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    AC I think has a C200 that's basically the same thing I think they want $4500
    A C100 was on eBay about 3 weeks ago and sold for $3500.

    I feel they both are in the $3000-$3600 and AC is pushing it at $4500 and the reason it's still there. It's something you search for and when you find it jump, they don't last long at a fair price.
     
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    Thank you so much. I will keep a keen eye out and check out the one on AC.


     
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    I'v had new preamps but sold them in favor to keeping the C100. A few years ago Mike and I where the ones I know of that had the C100 & 200 now quite a few of us have them now. It's a hard preamp to beat even under a $10,000 cap but to get them under $4000, it's a no brainer. The phono stage is worth at least $2000 by it's self. AC has a C200 Preamp without the control for $1,000, I keep thinking it would be good to pull the SUT out of it and make it stand alone.
     
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    Thank you again. I need to be patient and keep looking.
     
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    Patience is a virtue here, no doubt.
     
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    2 if you include the digital only D1100. I'm all for a fully balanced dual mono single box solid state preamp as well.
     
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  15. kevzep

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    D100 and I assume the D150 are fully balanced FYI

    Whats wrong with the balanced outputs on the C52? all program you listen to starts as a single ended signal...

    I know about the theory and the SNR etc etc, but the operating area for pretty all the current Mc products is pretty close to perfect null...
    Just saying....
     
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    Hi Kev,

    Actually there’s nothing wrong with the XLR outs on the C52. It’s a great preamp and I loved it. Actually sorry I sold it now but the upgrade but hit and I went in a different direction.

    My only concern about the XLR outs is I’m planning on separating my front end from the amps. There could be as much as 20-25’ of distance between them. I like to keep cables short, especially single ended ones. I’m assuming that fully balanced would be better in this case.
     
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    I had a C100. Great preamp. You'll see them on Audiogon for around $2600 - $3000. You'll have to spend a fair bit more to hear any improvement. The MC SUT is also really good, and again you'll have to spend a fair bit more to beat that. It bettered every $1000 separate phono preamp I threw at it. Only "problem" with the MC SUT is it doesn't offer variable loading, but if it's a good match for your cart then you are good to go.
     
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    I assumed @joeinid meant fully balanced and a true dual mono implementation like the C1100 and D1100.
     
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    Yes, exactly.

     
  20. kevzep

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    The XLR outputs on the C52 will perform well for long runs. Perhaps a C100/200 may be better, I guess its something you'd need to try....
    The C52 outputs are "fully balanced" in terms of topology, they are not, what essentially amounts to "quad balanced" as the C100/200 D100 etc are....My drive for my large concert system is not "quad balanced", it is however "fully balanced", I have 24 lines in a 300ft muti-core cable going to the amplifiers without any interference issues.....Just to put things in perspective...
    I think any McIntosh pre-amp with XLR outputs which is of the newer post 2012 era, will perform well over long runs.
     

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