ID requests on two high-end Tonearms

[EastPoint]

Hi folks. I think the first one is an Ortofon RMG 309 but I'm not sure. The second one has no ID on it except a little bit of stuff on the underside. Any thoughts?

Here are pics of the Ortofon:

 

[EastPoint]

Here are pics of the second one:

 

[Grbluen]

Looks a bit like a Gray tonearm. Not sure, and I don't know anything about them. Good luck with your search!

 

[setup1]

Yup, Ortofon RMG309 and Gray 108.

 

[EastPoint]

Awesome, thank you. Is it a 108 and not a later 108B or 108C? Any idea what the cartridge is?

 

[setup1]

Not sure about the nomenclature of Gray 108 series but here are two I'm familiar with:
108B?

108C? Yours is missing the silver/black logo

I read somewhere that this later version was licensed by CBS and manufactured in Japan. But then there's also the 208 which looks like it was manufactured back in the USofA.

Your cartridge looks very similar to this Fairchild.

Last two pictures are from Retro Vintage Hi-Fi - great reference site!

 

[totem]

The first is as noted is an RMG series, which came in a short 9" eff length 212 model and long 12" eff 309 series.
The one shown does have the original 7 pin din out of which 2 of the pins are not used early version.

Oddly enough "some" of the RMG-212 versions were made without the rear stub rubber coupling
although I can't say I have see this in the RMG-309's.

There was a RMG made for EMT that like the early SME series 1 had the rotatable collar diamond versus square configuration.

Sorry for rambling on the coffee is kicking in.