The sad thing is the minimalistic approach.... I've passed on so many Pioneer/Marantz/Sansui receivers and I have a Marantz 2220b in the pantry with speaker wires going out into the garage.....I paid $68 for that unit a couple of months ago. I go to allot of estate sales where widows are selling things off quickly so they can go live with there kids. There are allot of older conservative people in the Pudget Sound Area and they could care less how much a bunch of kids are paying for something because their lives haven't changed in the past five decades. This area is a huge retirement community for people from the Midwest and the military. See, I'm not talking about going online to find something conveniently over priced and I feel sorry for those that base the price of something because of what dummies are paying online. An intelligent person shops around for the best price by the best possible means. Relying on an online service to provide a product at a much higher price then thinking its the norm is an entitlement issue of I want it now like a child. What kind of person bases his choices by what they would rather not do.....a fool and his money are soon parted !