JBL 4560 cabs: factory or clones?

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  1. elitopus

    elitopus Super Member

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    I threw an Eminence driver in the first cab, and listened to some music while I cleaned the second cab.
    The mid bass is excellent. Its the "hit you in the chest" midbass that only a horn loaded woofer can really do right.

    I was listening to some Tab Benoit
     
  2. gdmoore28

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    Eli, I would be thrilled to death to have stumbled across those EVs. With a little tuning up and updating, I'll bet they would make some great home speakers. While I prefer veneer, there are a number of interesting paint schemes out there just waiting to make those EVs sparkle. Be sure to post pics of your progress. I wish I had your present run of good luck in finding some really nice speakers. Watching.

    GeeDeeEmm
     
  3. toddalin

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    Kustom branded but made by CTS and used in lots of things including Fenders and Leslies.
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  4. elitopus

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    Unfortunately I only have one of the EV 3 way speakers. I did get a few other things in this haul.

    1 pair JBL 4560 cabs
    1 EV Pl-15-3 (minus horn)
    1 pair Altec 811 horns with 807 drivers
    1 pair Altec 809-8a xovers.
    1 JBL LE15a
    1 EV 15B
    1 EV 15L
    3 Eminence 15" woofers
    1 Pair Kustom 15" woofers (1 good and 1 bad)

    Plus a few more blown 15" woofers, 2 bass cabs, and a 15" wedge.
    I already gave away one of the bass cabs and the wedge. I needed the space back. I still have the other bass cab.

    I have been telling my wife that I am in need of a good "deal". Then I saw this ad mentioning Altec on craigslist. The guy would not tell me what he had over the phone. Honestly I don't think he knew what model numbers etc. When he was helping me load up, I was telling him what everything was. Trying not to sound too excited of course.

    I paid him 100$ and drove away quickly:banana:

    I would have paid 100$ for just the JBL cabs. Honestly I think the seller was just happy to clean out his shed. He said he was moving soon and could not take it all with him.
     
  5. gdmoore28

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    I got a good chuckle about the way you ordered your list: good stuff to not so good stuff! Just the way any good gear monger does it! I'm proud of you.

    GeeDeeEmm
     
  6. elitopus

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    GeeDee
    Its funny how my audiophool brain works. I listed things in that order just by memory. Its interesting that I have the stuff memorized in order of how "good" it is. Lol
     
  7. elitopus

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    Before and after. The cabs are far from perfect, but look pretty good in gray.

    Some casters from Harbor Freight make them easier to move around.

    Casters are freakin expensive. I have been buying the small furniture dollies at HF and taking the casters off for speaker usage. I have at least half a dozen caster-less dollies sitting in the attic now

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  8. elitopus

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    I also just bought a pair of JBL 2225J frames for 40$ from the bay. Our friend GordonW is going to do some custom recones for me. They should sound pretty sweet in these.

    Now I just need some JBL horns and drivers. I was thinking about some large format JBL comp drivers. Maybe some 2440/2441.

    Those and maybe some slot tweeters or similar.
     
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  9. gdmoore28

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    Boy, that paint job made a big difference, didn't it? Those look downright . . . well, not 'purdy . . but attractively utilitarian? That's it.

    Where do you intend to use these, Eli?

    I think I can see a project in the making, allright. Big 'ole horns and drivers, active crossovers and eqs . . . . This is going to be fun to follow.

    And, it'll be interesting to hear your thoughts on the big Altec vs. the big JBL systems.

    GeeDeeEmm
     
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  10. Tom Brennan

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    The big 2395 lens atop a 4560 looks way too cool. Sounds good too with the 2440-2441.

    Back when I worked security for Jam Productions I was sitting off to the side of the stage before a show and listening to recorded music played through a 4560 with a 2440 on a 2395 atop it. And I thought it was as good as anyone would need, even if the top end dropped like a rock around 10KHZ. And it looked <so> cool.

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  11. elitopus

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    I love the gray or black PA speaker look. I do think my veneered model 17 cabs look nice too, but not as nice as a pair of theatre gray cabs.

    I was thinking about going active on these. I still have an active xover from when I ran my Altec 817 cabs. Also have some Ashly amps with the biamp cards already installed. I think the 750hz xover point would be pretty good for these.

    Its also tempting to slap some Altec parts on these cabs and make complete speakers. But I will try to keep them all JBL. It might take a while to get the parts, but I'll get there.

    The plan for now is to put them on the same wall as my A7's and model 17's. I'm running out of room on that wall. Its why I sold my 817 cabs...
     
  12. elitopus

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    The 2395 lens looks badass on those. I notice they supplemented with a slot tweeter also. The ones in the pic must be setup for HiFi.

    I checked ebay and those 2395 fetch some good money these days. Maybe I can find a pair at a yardsale:D

    Which diaphragms do you prefer in the 2440/2441, stock or Radian? I believe the 2445 Ti phragms fit also.
     
  13. Tom Brennan

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    Having never played around with them I've no base for an informed preference. I've heard all types sounding good though.
     
  14. gdmoore28

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    The ones in Tom's link look soooooo cool. I'm afraid that if looks alone could make a sale (and they do!) those would have to be near the top of the list.

    And, besides cost, that's one of the reasons I must avoid the JBL hole. That company made so many attractive - and functionally superior - products that entering that domain could (would) be ruinous for a pauper like me. It's easy to understand the JBL addiction.

    And I understand the attraction to the industrial look on speakers. When I first became a pro sound installer I was enamoured with those things. Over fifteen years, though, the attraction wore off and now I want to see woodgrain. I'm already envisioning your boxes swathed in acres of deep walnut veneer and topped with a huge gold-colored JBL horn lens . . . . :dunno:

    GeeDeeEmm
     
  15. biscuithead

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    I have a pair that look almost identical. I received mine from the builder (not factory) and his differed only in the fact that the back bottom was cut out (8"X8") at a 45 degree angle. In this cut out he mounted wheels and put a single handle high on the back so it could be tipped backwards and wheeled. It probably lost 5% of its cabinet volume.
     
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    Mine had 2205s that were reconed to 2235s.
     
  17. elitopus

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    I have seen quite a few road cabs that have the angeled cut, and wheels on the back. Yeah, I wouldn't be worried about the volume it eats up.

    Mine cabs are so much easier to move around now on casters. Before they were just slid around on their corner protectors.

    Its funny, because the screws on the metal corners were so worn down from being slid around, that I had to take them out with visegrips.

    I am having the 2225 reconed as 2235, except with a cloth accordion surround.
     
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  18. elitopus

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    Yes the JBL are just as expensive as Altecs. I can't really afford either of them. I have to wait until I find scroes to get them.

    There are some good values out there with JBL. Like the 2225/2226 woofers. These can be had for 100-150$ each in working condition, with the correct cones.
     
  19. elitopus

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    I decided to pick up another 2225 woofer for this project. The plan is to eventually get the 2225 reconed to 2235, but for now I want to try them as is.

    I have been looking at the factory speaker systems that used the 4560 cab. They are the JBL 4672 and 4674.

    The 4672a used the 2225 woofer and 2426 HF driver on a 2370 horn. Xover is 800hz

    The 4674a used the 2225 woofer and a 2445 HF driver on a 2380 horn. Xover is 500hz.

    So I am torn whether to go with the 1" or 2" comp driver. With the 1" driver, I could run it without a supertweeter. With the 2" driver, I would probably want a supertweeter.

    I would like to go with all JBL drivers/horns for this build. I'll probably use an active crossover set around 750hz.
     
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  20. gdmoore28

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    Eli, I have searched in vain for an article written by a JBL engineer (not GT) in which he explains that the two inch JBL drivers will deliver just as much hf extension as the one inch drivers. I'm not a JBL devotee, so I can't even remember which drivers he was discussing. I thought I had the article bookmarked, but I can't find it now. I'll bet one of the other members can find it.

    GeeDeeEmm
     

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