JICO SAS UPDATE...

Discussion in 'Turntables' started by ghamilton, Jun 13, 2018.

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  1. malden

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    That's right, .3 x .7 vs .2 x .7 does not mean they are identical.

    What they do is replicate the sound and in some cases, such as the more recent production Shure styli, improve upon them.

    This is really nit-picky shit.

    Jico is currently the only stylus manufacturer that does an excellent job at manufacturing styli for vintage cartridges. The others, for the most part are cheap knock-offs. The operable word there is "cheap" because that's what people want.
     
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  2. malden

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    I have several original Shure N91ED styli. These were Made In USA, have thin cantilevers and "nude" diamond elliptical tips. I also have several later production Shure N91ED's that were made in Mexico. These have thicker cantilevers and "bonded" elliptical tips. I have had these for many years and occasionally compare the two types in the various turntables I've restored. I can hear absolutely no difference between them. Both types sound excellent and track very well.

    I also have N91ED's by EVG, Pfanstiehl, and of course JICO. Of those three, the JICO is the only one that is indistinguishable in terms of sound quality from the original Shure. Not surprisingly, the JICO is built like the original, similar suspension system and magnets. The others have fewer components in their suspensions and smaller magnets. As @needlestein pointed out several posts ago, the polishing of the diamond tip also plays an important role in the sound of a stylus.

    Good design and careful manufacturing is much more important than minute differences in cantilever material or shape of diamond tip.
     
  3. Cylontymany

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    Case closed!!! Time to move on.
     
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  4. MRL_Audio

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    Can’t believe I just wasted ten minutes reading this round and round thread. This is not how we operate on AK. What the... come on man!
     
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    Just 'in general'. Obviously, they are not the original manufacturer. But they are the best aftermarket manufacturer going without a doubt. But identical copies of the originals? No.
     
  6. malden

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    So you don't own a JICO?
     

     

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    I hear what you're layin' down, brother. You don't currently own a Jico stylus, but if you were in need of an aftermarket stylus you'd be buyin' a Jico. Makes total sense!
     
  8. quigz1968

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    Well, if production of the SAS is to be no more, this for me personally is very sad. I have the original boron SAS on a lowly Shure M92E cartridge and it was the best sound I ever heard via my setup. I had a malfunction with my turntable that caused the stylus to get damaged. So it appears if I want a replacement I will have to pay the inflated prices via the online resellers.
     
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    Actually, I have quite a few Jico's. And again, I like them, but they are NOT original copies.
     
  10. malden

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    Which ones do you have?
     
  11. AdamAnt316

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    My opinion is, without a time machine or a personal stock of NOS Shure styli, the best you're likely to be able to do for these classic Shure cartridges is to get a JICO stylus. NOS Shure styli, especially anything connected to the V-15 series, tend to go for stupid amounts of money on eBay and the like. And like with anything, these old styli contain parts besides the needle which may degrade over time, even just sitting in the original packaging. Shure themselves haven't produced OEM replacement styli for their vintage cartridges in years, and their recent decision to stop producing what few cartridges they still manufactured was just their latest slap in the face to their phono customers. :rant: As I said before, I'm hopeful that JICO will find a way to bring back the SAS line, as they've been the best option us V-15 owners have had for these wonderful cartridges in a long, long time, be they identical to the originals or not. :music:
    -Adam
     
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  12. MCM_Fan

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    Insulting my competence, my equipment and my manhood are all personal attacks. Need I remind you of the motto of this forum: All Audio, No Attitude?

    You don't own this forum. Others are welcome to participate, even those who don't always agree with you. I will not be bullied into non-participation by you, or anyone else.
     
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  13. malden

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    I'm not trying to insult you, I'm just trying to help you out.

    You keep quoting me so it seems like you are reaching out for some guidance. I'm happy to help you any way I can....:thumbsup:
     
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    If insulting my "seeming lack of manhood" is your way of "helping". No thanks.
     
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    Jeez... can someone shut this down?
     
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    :hug:
     

     

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  17. ripblade

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    I'd rather they took it outside. I'm hoping for some news but keep logging in to this crap. Let's get back to business.
     
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    Okay...enough is enough....CLOSED!
     
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