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long eye relief scopes?

Discussion in 'Sports & Outdoor Adventure' started by 2011etec, Mar 25, 2018.

  1. 2011etec

    2011etec Super Member

    Has anybody used them?Was thinking of putting one on this gorgeous gal .[​IMG]
     

     

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  2. mhardy6647

    mhardy6647 AK Subscriber Subscriber

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    Dunno about rifle scopes, but I know that Swarovski spotting scopes have good eye relief (key for spectacles-wearers like me) -- I also know that Swarovski makes rifle scopes; I assume they're pretty good.

    One gets what one pays for.
     
  3. GuyK

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    I don't have any info, but will be following this thread. I've got a M1896 Mauser I'm planning to do the same with.
     
  4. squirrelnest

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    I use a Burris scope on my Marlin 30-30....many excellent scopes out there....
     
  5. 2011etec

    2011etec Super Member

    I'm more interested if anybody has used or uses a long eye relief scope and their thoughts on it.Another option maybe would be to find a used bolt that was bent or I could bend .I wont do it to mine as its a numbers matching never issued rifle.Since 1955 theres only been 20 shots through that rifle and they were modern non corrosive rounds too.Love the mausers GuyK I had a Argentinian one that was chambered for 30/06
     
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  7. BigElCat

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    I've done just that. UTG tri-rail with a BSA Edge 27x32 pistol scope (2 to 7x).

    I had to shim the tri-rail quite a bit. I had it dialed in using a laser bore sight, but never shot with it. I became obsessed with trying to make open sights work in conjunction with the scope. I failed.

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    https://www.opticsplanet.com/review...istol-scope-w-black-matte-finish-ps27x32.html

    The scope wouldn't get you out to the Mosin's max potential. Should be good for 200 yards (?)

    I could get a closer pic if you're interested.
     
  8. 2011etec

    2011etec Super Member

    Please do .
     
  9. 2011etec

    2011etec Super Member

    been thinking about my mosin all night .I'm not willing to damage or alter in any way so I'm going to go with a long eye relief system .If I want or need a more powerful scope their out there.I was looking at prices for used mosins and boy oh boy mine must be worth a fair amount being a never issued beauty.Id never sell though I don't believe any ways .Should get out my reloading stuff and practice reloading 30.06 and 7.62x54r.Havnt done that since the 90,s.Long story short,1955 these were stored in a warehouse in Poland after being made and were lost in the system till the 1990,s.I believe it was century arms found them though a Polish connection.At the same time they found a lot of 1944? lee-enfields in Ireland that were never issued also.My one big regret was not picking up one of them also .
     
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  10. BigElCat

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    I'd recommend the UTG tri-rail. It's beefy. No permanent mods to the gun, just take the rear flip up post off.

    I cut about an inch and a half off of the rear of the center rail.

    You don't rest your cheek on the stock when you have a 'scout style' scope. This is good for me, I have a long neck. This combo shoulders well.

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    The mount and scope cost less than $200.
     
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  11. BigElCat

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    I should move the scope toward the muzzle another inch, maybe.

    I use the tri-rail to grip the gun with my left hand. It's completely solid, makes a perfect grip for long fingers.
     
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  12. 2011etec

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    Nice ,your nagent looks to be in good shape did you get it like that or did you spruce her up?I see for those that have ruff ones you can get Finnish wood stocks.
     
  13. BigElCat

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    That thing came from Russia submersed in a drum of cosmoline. It's in excellent shape, but the numbers don't match. $119.00, had been $99 for awhile but I waited to long.

    It took me weeks to get it to where the cosmoline didn't come off on my hands.

    I used some citrus based paint stripper and steel wool. It finally turn into a hard smooth finish, no other product used. That cosmoline soaks all the way through wood, or so it seems to me.
     
  14. Dirk Willims

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    Perhaps I'm not tracking but are you referring to the " scout scopes" mounted way forward on the rifle, with eye relief in the 12/15 inch range VS 3.5 to 4.0 inches, I know the term as scope eye relief.

    If that's what your asking, yes I've shot them.

    As long as you shoot with both eyes open, it's reasonably simple to pick up the sight, and shoot distance. When I say distance, I'm talking hunting ranges, 100y to max 350y.

    I've found that past those distances, the scoped vision wash's out for me. My eyes strain trying to make out the cross hairs on the target. I'm told has to,do with ambient light angles,,between your eye, and the objective side of the scope.

    I find the scout scopes excel at jump shooting. Throwing the rifle up to ones eye for a quick shot. If that makes sense.

    Dirk
     
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  15. BigElCat

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    I lower my scope to minimize errors of parallax. Used Weaver 4 band rings, $12 from Walmart and very sturdy.

    Gave up on trying rig open sights with the scope. I now have a 5 watt green laser on it. I'm not done with the laser's fitment to the gun, but it works awesome. $20 for the laser on Amazon. Have one on my shotgun, too. The Pinty laser is amazing for the price. It would be a good value at $100...20 is unbelievable.

    I adapted a cheek riser from a modular assault rifle system. I could give links if anyone is interested. $20 from Ebay.

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  16. BigElCat

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    Gratis quote, just so you'd get a red alert. Check out the pictures above.

    I need to figure out the hand hold...right in front of the Tri-Rail.

    I'm thinking about having a gun shop shorten the barrel, remove the original front sight, then re-crown.

    I have a clamp-on front sight base that use a standard 3/8" dovetail. But I'm not planning on using open sights. The sight base would secure the bi-pod a little more.
     
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  17. Dirk Willims

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    Big cat,,very nice. I've been a gun guy from a very young age. started collecting in the late 70s.

    Keep,up the upgrades, they can literally be a force multiplier.

    Dirk
     
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  18. Ross6860

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    Don't cut it...buy the shorter carbine of you want a shorter OAL.

    Believe it or not, they are rising in value.

    Just my 2 cents. Shoot it as is. You can have a blast out to 200 yards ringing steel, farther if you have a good shooter (the rifle, I'll assume the marksman is good) and a good eye.

    I don't have much meat on my shoulders so I can only handle a few shots from the 91/30, K98k, or my K31. I use a slip-on recoil pad and I can shoot all day. I have the same extended butt pad on my 91/30. Great for LOP but it's as hard as the steel but plate.

    Again, just my opinion, but I've tried the sight rail/scout scope thing and red dots on these and didn't like either. I don't like the way they look or the head-high shooting position. I prefer the irons and my K31 keeps 5 shots in 2.5" at 100 yards, on a good day. The Russian and German models are around 4" or so.

    YMMV

    Good luck in whatever direction you choose. Enjoy the hobby and be safe.
     
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