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Marantz 2270 Engraved Survey

Discussion in 'Marantz Audio' started by dgunnr, Jul 4, 2015.

  1. BobSat

    BobSat New Member

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  2. PooPoo

    PooPoo Active Member

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    These are all fakes! No such a thing. At some point these plates which are real Champange or silver engraved from early serial units and were swapped out to these higher serial units and I believe this was the work of one single con who then made up this whole Canadian BS system and even made stickers with a corresponding lower serial to try to convince sheeples this was done by Marantz for Canada. If you guys think these units are real original Champange or silver engraves then you guys are playing right into his scam. I’ve gotten one of these Canadian engraves and if you see the whole sticker it just looks too new and was just applied onto the unit doesn’t match how old the units are there should be some scuff or something the stickers look too damn new. Doesn’t even look right I ain’t falling for this okie doke! I paid a lot for a fake original engrave. Funny cuz these are real faceplates and real units just not the early units!
     
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    Oh also the inside chassis was not gold either!
     
  4. RedShift42

    RedShift42 Some guy

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    Just a tip for life, the moment anyone is referred to as sheeple, your cred evaporates.
     
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  5. dgunnr

    dgunnr Marantz Owner Subscriber

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    I admit i was (and still am) skeptical of the Canadian engraved units. The later model chassis just don't match up with the earlier 1,000-5,000 units for all the reasons already noted. The added sticker on the back has a serial number that appears more believable than the high serial number on the "Canadian Units". Lets face it putting an engraved unit on a later model and claiming it is an engraved unit is pretty easy to do! I still see sellers on E-Bay doing it or even claiming they have an engraved Silver unit that is not even engraved just to try and make more money. It makes no sense Marantz would sit on engraved face plates for 50,000+ units then suddenly they start selling engraved units once again. Hopefully a former Marantz executive or other knowledgeable person would address this question. I am just trying to use logic and the evidence I have from tracking nearly a 100 of these units now. Anyhow, still tracking the engraved units and when i get some more useful data will post updates. In the mean time loving my Marantz receiver and Marantz speaker collection everyday!!!
     
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  6. Osibisa

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    Anybody pick up #2617 on the auction site?
     

     

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  7. blhagstrom

    blhagstrom Mad Scientist, fixer. Subscriber

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    I have 2270 number 1348 here for repair and restore.

    The service manuals show serial number 1001-5000. So there was no 1000. Thus, this is the 348th production unit.

    Unfortunately, the owner left the face at home in AK. It was found in an old electronics repair shop, long closed and being cleaned out.

    From something I read somewhere once about early Marantz at the time of Superscope takeover, they were hand assembled in Japan as they worked out manufacturing processes for quick mass production. I suspect minor changes occurred in that process. I also suspect that design changes were in flight and bean counters were counting.

    I suspect as parts were produced and assembly progressed, things changed.

    Towards the end of initial production run, I would suspect parts ran out or were left over.
     
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  8. thxdave

    thxdave Lava Lamp repairman

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    I suspect you're right.
    ;-)
     
  9. dgunnr

    dgunnr Marantz Owner Subscriber

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    Yes caught the 2617 and the 1214 on e-bay. The 2617 helped fill in the blanks some more since the first documented silver units i have appear at 2659. The survey now has 84 total units documented. Still lacking information from the 3400, 3600 and 4500 range. That information will really be telling on the total silver population. My silver population has now dropped to a 23% compared to only 12% of the 84 units documented. being silver in color. Thanks again for the input!
     
  10. Riddley

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    1124 belongs to me. :beerchug:

    I've landed on "embossed" for the proper adjective (OED: Carve, mould, or stamp (a design) on a surface or object.) Engraved connotes scratching into the surface with a stylus of some kind, to me.
     
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  11. spicer

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    Back in the eighties I repaired a couple of 2270s with the engraved champagne faceplates... not knowing the history of the model I just assumed it was early production before bean counter decisions were made... I remember noting how beautiful the faceplate finish was and how fine the engraving, almost looked embossed, like it was precision stamped... nice stuff.. and, there were other differences inside too, can't exactly remember but generally related to build quality... certain shielding, and shield pieces, or the way the shielding was installed for certain boards... can't remember but definitely little differences that spoke of superior build quality with attention to detail. When we serviced a unit we disassembled it for complete access to all switches and controls for cleaning, and, of course, for complete cosmetic cleaning so faceplates were removed and everything completely cleaned and made new looking... those two.. all 2270s actually... but those two champagne models came out looking classy and eloquent... exceedingly nice pieces.
     

     

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  12. cocovinyl176

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    picking up SN#2213 tomorrow. Fully restored, may need a couple touch ups
     
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  13. PooPoo

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    Serial# 4098
     
  14. dgunnr

    dgunnr Marantz Owner Subscriber

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    2213 should be a champagne engraved correct?
     
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    dgunnr Marantz Owner Subscriber

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    4098 is champagne as well, correct?
     
  16. PooPoo

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    Champagne Engraved and not even a hair line scratch on this faceplate! Wow it’s in mint collectors condition
     

     

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  17. cocovinyl176

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    Yes/ engraved Champagne-
     
  18. dgunnr

    dgunnr Marantz Owner Subscriber

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    Thank you both for the info. The purpose of the survey is two fold. One to determine if 4,000 total engraved units were made and secondly how were Champagne engraved and how were Silver engraved. So anyone else responding please let me know the color of the face plate and the serial number. Thank you again for everyones help!!
     
  19. nelly

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    About the confusion regarding the cannadian models.

    As far I know Marantz 2230, 2245, 2270 serials were made like this:

    USA started with 1001
    Canada started with 60001
    Europe started with 50001
    Asia started with 80001
     
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