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Moore lay offs & bad news at Gibson ....Is the end near?

Discussion in 'Musical Instruments' started by PureQuill, Mar 1, 2018.

  1. PureQuill

    PureQuill AK Member Subscriber

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  2. usedto

    usedto Lunatic Member

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    People don't want to take the time to learn to play musical instruments any more. Too bad.
     
  3. Yamaki

    Yamaki Not For Hire Subscriber

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    That Really Sucks!
     
  4. bberkom

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    They’ve never been known to be the best run company in Nashville. I’ve had a few acquaintances and friends work for them and did business with Gibson at one of my jobs, and no one had great experiences.
     
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  5. valvenator

    valvenator curious bystander, serious procrastinator Subscriber

    I have very mixed feelings about Gibson. They've been screwed but they've screwed other people too.
    This little blurb from one of the articles:
    Gibson began making guitars in 1894. Its popular Les Paul electric, which debuted in 1952, is one of the bestselling guitars of all time and has been used by legendary musicians like Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page, and Pete Townshend.
    True, but a lot of those musicians moved on to other guitars.
    They forgot Jeff Beck and Slash BTW, :eek:........................................... and Buckethead?!!! :wtf:
     
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  6. louisjames

    louisjames The "real" Louis James Subscriber

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    The owner Henry Juszkiewicz was / is known to be a bit of an ass and had visions of grandeur thinking that he could take on and beat out Yamaha to become the biggest music company in the world. Which led to over extending themselves by buying several brands that probably would have never panned out. Even with the best management. The guitar has become the greatest musical instrument success in history but times and tastes change, you can get an excellent playing and sounding instrument for much less than Gibson is selling for new and the used market takes a good chunk of new sales as well. Plus Gibson's quality control, or lack of is legendary among other missteps. And that's only part of the problem.
     
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  7. PureQuill

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    Onkyo, Stanton,Cakewalk,Neat, KRK? What do these companies have to do with building great guitars? .....NOTHING! That is why Gibson is hemorrhaging debt along with making over priced guitars of questionable quality control that feature robotic tuners and PCB boards.
    Gibson is a company that has forgotten what made them iconic.

    PQ
     
  8. mhedges

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    Yeah I read an article recently that went over the terrible management decisions Gibson made. Some of them were unbelievably stupid.

    There is some of this, but there are still a lot of people learning instruments. To me it is more the same thing you see with a lot of other hobby products that exploded with the baby boomer generation - that generation has stopped buying things at the same rate, and younger generations have different tastes. They don't want their fathers guitar.
     
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  9. hjames

    hjames dancing madly backwards ... Staff Member Moderator Subscriber

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    Who is "Moore" ?
     
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  10. Beatnik

    Beatnik What's this ?

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    Gibson has Slingerland and never did much with it, too bad.

    Speaking of Les Paul and Slingerland.

     
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    They've been burning through capital on a tremendous acquisition spree, to the detriment of the brands they're buying, many of which are intimately familiar to AKers.

    So screw Gibson, ya know?
     
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  12. Celt

    Celt Peanut Head Staff Member Super Mod

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    Gibson quit being "Gibson" once they left Kalamazoo, Michigan in '74. Just sayin'....
     
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  13. usedto

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    Less's partner.
     
  14. dr*audio

    dr*audio Fish fingers and custard! Subscriber

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    They need to divest themselves of all non - guitar related businesses, not their experienced employees. They have recently come out with a couple of great pre-war model acoustic guitars. They could compete with Martin if they pursued this. Just another example of Evil Management.
     
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  15. marqueemoon

    marqueemoon Gimme indie rock!

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    They've been shooting themselves in the foot for decades.
     
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  16. PureQuill

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    Amen!
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  17. PureQuill

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    I agree totally!
    Gibson like Martin strengths are in tradition and history.
    Martin gets it,,,Gibson does not.
    One look at how successful the Martin CEO 7 has been, shows they are most successful when innovating with one eye on history.
    As one reviewer said the CEO 7 is the guitar Martin never built in the 1930's but should have!

    PQ
     
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  18. louisjames

    louisjames The "real" Louis James Subscriber

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    Part of this is mindset, part understanding the market and where ones strengths are and having leadership that both honors the past and find ways to thrive in the present and the future. Something which Martin has done very well over the years and is embodied by their CEO Christian Frederick Martin IV. Unlike Gibson who as mentioned is trying to be a "music powerhouse" instead of focusing on what they "should" do best.
     
  19. onwardjames

    onwardjames Hoardimus Maximus Subscriber

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    I worked there in early 1998. Needless to say, I have stories to tell.

    As for guitars, people are certainly learning the instrument, but as others have opined, there are literally dozens of great options under 700 or so bucks.

    Not everyone needs a $4000 tiger striped Les Paul (except me and Ron, aka Northwinds, lol)
     
  20. EngineerNate

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    Gibson makes some great acoustic guitars as well, but to get one that equals my Martin is easily 50-100% more money. It just doesn't make sense as a guitarist if you're on any kind of budget.

    Taylor and Martin have been getting the guitar thing right for a while now. Keep the super high end, but make $700-2000 guitars that play and sound great.

    I'm curious if Larivee and Breedlove are going to last.

    Cheers
    Nathan
     

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