Most Ford "Chop Rods" Use Chevy Drivetrains--Why?

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  1. usedto

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    It used to be "See what I built". Now, it's "See what I bought out of the Summit catalog."
     
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  2. Djcoolray

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    True....

    But if you do a complete rebuild and change everything out for new...to include engine harness, relays, ECM and sensors you would have a reliable automobile. I built one while staitioned in Germany...
     
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  5. quaddriver

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    dont use that chart (reprinted from many places.) its misleading and in many cases: wrong.

    the motor in question - tall or short valve covers (it uses edge to edge) which manifolds? for they chevy it uses the 'no exhaust manifold' dimension, for the ford, it uses the 'factory iron' dimension. the ford 50 block is 18.75 wide and the W is 21 wide. with manifolds on, we all know that the chevy is CLEARLY between the two.

    it was a noble effort, whomever compiled that, but they did not have apples/apples info to compare from. Ford, god love em, used to publish it in the back of every performance catalog.

    hell just knowing the deck height over the crank centerline gets you part way there. at 8.2", the little windsor is the winner. the ford M and 400 fool some into thinkining they are weird big blocks
     
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  6. arts

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    The only E-type that weighed even close to a '61 vettte is the much later V12 pig. The '61 weighs around 400lbs less.
     

     

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  7. arts

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    That's an excellent motor,and soldiered on into 2000+ in Land Rovers. I really like that one:)
     
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  8. noogies

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    Check your arithmetic. Wikipedia lists the curb weight of a '61 Jaguar as being 2900 lb. and the curb weight of a '61 Corvette as 2985 lb.
     
  9. arts

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    Check your sources.Wikipedia!?! Really......
     
  10. 55Redneck

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    1961 Jaguar E-type with 3.8 engine 2725 lbs curb weight

    1961 Corvette 3035 lbs curb weight.

    My choice would be the Vette any day, all day. ;)
     
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  11. arts

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    That's only because you live in BC,55! E-type just won't work; Pissin' rain all the time,the damned thing would never start:rflmao:
     
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    I think Ford got it exactly right with the Group B RS200. One Saturday morning one showed up at the donut shop. Few knew what it was. Those that did were gobstoppered. Too bad Group B was neutered before it and the 959 got their shots at the Quattro. That would have been awesome.
     
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  13. 55Redneck

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    Ain't hardly any rain where I live, now the coast is another story and I did my time there. If the rain won't stop a Jag, the Lucas electronics will. :p I worked for a company called AutoMarine Electric in the late 70's and british cars with major electrical problems were our bread and butter. I'm sure the owner got VERY rich from British Leyland cars before he sold his chain to Napa in the 80's. ;)
     
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    I hear that. Apparently they haven't gotten any better either,remember those submarines we bought? Still sitting in drydock,afaik.Including the one that shorted out and caught fire due to water ingress on the way over. Lucas again,maybe?
     
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    Great stories all! I love hot rodding!!
     
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  16. noogies

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    Okay, let's hear about your source.
     
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  17. Grenadeslio

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    I like how this is actually "lighter" at more than 3100lbs than its predecessor lol. And at almost 400 lbs lighter with a 50/50 weight distribution I think the Jag had the right to call the Vette a pig. And with a rated top end of 150 mph with a six as compared to the Vette rated top end with its straight six of 109 mph, forgetaboutit.
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    THE AUTO EDITORS OF CONSUMER GUIDE

    1961 Corvette Specifications
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    Small changes gave the 1961 Corvette a cleaner look and reduced weight. It was quick and powerful, with an official top speed of 109 mph (though many could reach in excess of 130 mph). Here are the specifications for the 1961 Corvette:





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    The three-speed manual gearbox was standard on the 1961 Corvette,
    but was offered with a wider choice of axle ratios.






    Vehicle Specifications
    Convertible
    Wheelbase, inches 102.0
    Length, inches
    176.7
    Width, inches
    70.4
    Track, inches
    front: 57.0 rear: 59.0
    Height, inches
    52.9
    Curb Weight, pounds
    3,108
    Mechanical Specifications (2-door convertible)



    Jaguar E-Type G.T. Fixed Head Coupe (man. 4 speed)
    as offered for the year 1961 since mid-year 1961 in Europe


    Production/sales period of cars with this particular specs:

    mid-year 1961 - mid-year 1964

    Modelyears:

    -



    Country of origin:

    GB United Kingdom




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    Make:

    Jaguar

    Model:

    E-Type (XK-E) Series I


    1961-1968

    Submodel:

    E-Type Series I Fixed Head Coupe


    1961-1968


    Weight distribution f/r (%):

    50 / 50

    Dry weight:

    1143 kg / 2520 lbs

    Size, Dimensions, Aerodynamics and Weight
    BODY Coupé
    NUM. OF DOORS 2
    WHEELBASE 243.8 cm ( 95.98 inches )
    LENGTH 437.5 cm ( 172.24 inches )
    WIDTH 165.7 cm ( 65.24 inches )
    HEIGHT 122.5 cm ( 48.23 inches )
    FRONT AXLE 1270 cm ( 500 inches )
    REAR AXLE 1270 cm ( 500 inches )
    FRONT BRAKES - DISC DIMENSIONS Discs (279 mm)
    REAR BRAKES - DICS DIMENSIONS Discs (254 mm)
    FRONT TYRES - RIMS DIMENSIONS -/- R-
    REAR TYRES - RIMS DIMENSIONS -/- R-
    CURB WEIGHT 1234 kg ( 2721 lbs )


     
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  18. BigElCat

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    500 inch axles ? Oh we believe this.
     
  19. Grenadeslio

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    Ya, most likely a metric conversion issue, mm instead of cm
     
  20. Grenadeslio

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    Is this better for you? If you look at the Wikipedia site quoted it has similar numbers only they confused the drop top with the fixed head coupe reversing the weight specs. Convertibles are always heavier than their fixed head siblings.

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    Below is a screen shot of the specs from Wikipedia, as you can see the numbers are correct but not for the indicated model.

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    So in conclusion, the Jag is better looking, similar power from its six as the Vettes V8, is better balanced, weighs less, more sophisticated motor with triple carbs, dual over head cam, hemi head, better more sophisticated suspension, four wheel disc brakes, etc etc.

    Yes a dodgy electrical system, but once that's worked out its definitely the better car. The engine won Le Mans five times proving it's reliability and endurance. In classic car racing the E-type is king even with its six competing against 427 Vettes, V12 Ferraris, AC Cobras etc.
     
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