Need help in selecting good vintage German speakers

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  1. Alex11210

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    I forgot to mention -both are about $300.
     
  2. eiraved

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    I've heard the MB Quart Domain 40 and it's pretty good speaker. Never heard the Magnat MSP 110, but there's a post here on AK which speaks of bad woofers on that model. A pair of MB Quart Domain 40's with some damage recently went unsold on the Bay for half of what you posted, but the damage I saw was easily repairable with household items.
     
  3. Alex11210

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    I am VERY new to this hobby but already am getting disappointed in the idea of looking into vintage speakers (as opposed to new speakers). Yes, they are cheap but... for example, I just found a perfect pair of KEF - until I started reading the small print where the seller recommended to replace some compensators because they were too old and apparently no good and some other parts had to be replaced too. Other speakers I looked at also have signs of damage and not just cosmetic damages on the furniture - damage on the places where the sound is coming from. Also, I may be lucky to get what I want from a light user but if it were a heavy user who was running those speakers 60 hours per week at a high volume for 30 years - how long my "perfect speakers" will last? Maybe it would be better to just pay the full price and just get the new thing? The next problem is - can you get anything new made in US or Europe for $500-1,000 for 2 speakers? When I called Best Buy, they only had one made in UK brand starting at $5,000.
     
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    That's part of the journey my friend. You'll never know how many hours are into "vintage" speakers, which is why most of us go straight for a recap upon purchase. Restoration of speakers is actually pretty easy, and there may be an AK member living nearby who can assist. Before I really knew what I was doing, I've bought and restored several vintage speakers with nothing more than my basic soldering skills and intervention by the AK gurus! Just be patient and don't purchase without having a listen first, unless you bought it from someone you trust, or the speaker is a well known good vintage speaker and is being sold for pennies on the dollar. I found an Electro Voice Esquire 200 speaker that way, in an auction with a bunch of junk which I purchased for $7. I believe they were circa 50's and they sounded fantastic without restoration. However, I did restore them as I didn't trust how long the original paper capacitors would last. Didn't want to take a chance on destroying the original drivers, as it would have been virtually impossible to find another original.

    If you're going to buy new and are desperate enough, you could brave the crowds and buy during the upcoming Black Friday specials. Places like Amazon have early Black Friday and Cyber Saturday specials where you could score a decent deal on new speakers.
     
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    The seller likely means "capacitors" may need replacing. It's possible, but if the KEF speakers are only 10 or 20 years old, you'll likely be OK for a while.

    Many of us, but not all, actually enjoy the woodworking and soldering associated with buying used speakers.

    There are many here who can help if you choose this path.
     
  6. Alex11210

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    I understand that restoration is an option but will restored speakers will ever sound 100% just as good as the original speakers? I don't know. There is no rush for me. I have speakers I can use but really would like to have something that I would really enjoy. Black Friday is coming pretty soon and it looks like even companies that claim to manufacture their speakers in the US or Canada do make some (possibly most) models in China. Getting "Made in .." information from them is not easy.
     
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    The science of speaker restoration isn't all that difficult to understand. Access the speaker crossover first. There are several different ways, some easy, some difficult, some virtually impossible. DCM Time Windows are great vintage speakers, but the crossovers are notoriously difficult to access and not recommended for the squeamish. On the other hand, the Electro Voice Esquire 200 crossovers are easily accessed by unscrewing, then removing the rear panel of the speaker. Locating the crossover and replacing those old, tired caps and resistors with the correct equivalents (or better!) will only match or improve upon the speaker's original characteristics.

    If you do decide to go this vintage speaker restoration route, create a post in the "Speakers" forum and you'll find plenty of AKers eager to assist you step by step.
     
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    My advice, see what Black Friday offers, but nice speakers may not be discounted. If you aren't in a hurry, you're a step ahead.
     
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    Try this, wander around to a few thrift stores or some garage sales and see what people have. Look up any you might be interested in on this forum, and ebay to get an idea of the price they go for and how desirable they are. Then, if they are cheap enough, take them home. Don't forget to talk them down in price if you can see that the foam has deteriorated. I've picked up several bargains that way. My Boston HD8's were $14 and all they needed was a refoam which cost about $25. I found some Polk 11T's for $42 and all I had to do was replace a driver for $48 and glue down some veneer in a couple spots. If you wind up not liking them, sell them and buy something else. It's not like you will be out a huge amount of money. Or use them as Christmas presents.
     
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    If you want new - ELAC speakers supposed to be good. No personal experience here, but reviews I have seen are positive. They sell them on Amazon and other online places.
     
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    I have a pair of T&A Stratus P-30 3-way speakers from Germany. They have a 10" woofer 5" mid and dome tweeter. They make their own drivers. I've had them for 20yrs, but never saw much about them online. The company does have more current lines, but they're on the pricey side.
     
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    This is sounding more and more like a troll
    And i never call people trolls
    its just
    humorous

    Just point the guy to accurate more or less uncolored audiophile vintage type speakers

    Way too literal here
     
  14. ET16

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    I have Cantons and MB Quarts that are well made.
     
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  15. Bratwurst7s

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    Vintage speakers made in Germany?

    Canton.

    Can't go wrong there.

    MB Quart, before they sold their name. Grundig. Yep, yep.

    All with rubber surrounds that don't seem to ever go bad.

    Cheers,
    James
     
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    I don't think the OP is trolling. I also don't think that speaker repair is high on his list of new hobbies to pick up. Flipping stuff on Craigslist to move around (and hopefully up) the food chain is acceptable for some of us, but it IS time consuming and a pain in the neck if you'd rather be doing other stuff. $300 should get him some decent speakers in his area, ideally without a bunch of fuss and bother.

    @Alex11210, restored speakers CAN sound as good as new, but is this a path you want to wander down? You are at the fork in the road. Do you know how to solder?
     

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