New Grado Black2

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  1. Lorenzo47

    Lorenzo47 Well-Known Member

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    I can't say if it's glued in or not but it doesn't seem to be coming out any time soon. None of my other Grados were afflicted.
     

     

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  2. beatcomber

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    The Black1 and spare AR headshell from @marcmorin arrived today, and I should be able to post some comparative samples by the end of the week.
     
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  3. beatcomber

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    OK, here we go...

    The turntable is my c.1964 AR-TX, extensively hotrodded by @marcmorin , and the phono stage is my '59 Fisher X-100 with '58 long black plate RCA 12AX7's. To get the impedance right, there is an FX Audio tube buffer with GE tubes between the Fisher and my Tascam DR40 recorder. The files are all 24/96 FLACs.

    First up is "Midnight Blue" by Kenny Burrell, from the Blue Note album of the same name, from a '90s(?) Classic Records reissue.

    Grado Signature 8M w/ 8MZ stylus:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/0r8g0w8rq9l47r8/KB_8M.flac?dl=0

    Grado Black1:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/lzq6ntyo641stgg/KB_B1.flac?dl=0

    Grado Black2:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/o46406krwfbuswz/KB_B2.flac?dl=0



    Next is "Venus" from the Olympians' self-titled album, a Daptone release from a couple of years ago.

    Grado Signature 8M w/ 8MZ stylus:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/183c4qj1atgoiz2/Oly-8M.flac?dl=0

    Grado Black1:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/kmooomcwsfhbtbe/Oly-B1.flac?dl=0

    Grado Black2:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/f0jct7qoewm47uq/Oly-B2.flac?dl=0

    Let the discussion begin!
     
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  4. ChicagoTom

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    No surprise, I like the 8M w 8MZ stylus best. Great detail on the high end which the other two are missing, without being too bright. (I'm listening on a pair of Beyerdynamic DT-990 Pros via a recapped Sony TA-1120A). The Black2 does have a better high end than the Black1, but is not the equal of the 8M/8MZ.

    Thank you for doing this, nice music selections by the way. FWIW, I own a Black2 p-mount, and I'm pretty blown away by it.
     
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    (Now listening on my Senn 600s, same amp. I now realize that I in fact, do like the 600s better than the Beyerdynamic).
     
  6. beatcomber

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    This matches what I'm hearing as well. The Black1 has the most forward bass as well, but is also the duller of the three.

    Thanks! I tried to find some selections that wouldn't be annoying to anyone!
     

     

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  7. marcmorin

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    quick question.........is that an 8M body, or 8MR body? Ohm reading?

    (venus) the black-1 sets the bass a bit forward in the mix, does't separate the snare transient strike from the snare "device" the Black-2 tries to, and has the bass back beside the drum kit. More movement in the music with the Black-2.......................no where near the Siggie though.
     
  8. beatcomber

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    I'm using the 8M body. I haven't measured the coils, but I believe it should be around 700-800ohms, right? That would put it in the same general range as the Black2, which I measured at 675.

    Spot-on, Marc. I hear the exact same thing, it's quite apparent.
    I've left the Black2 on the AR, and I'm working from home today ( :banana: ), so I have a good opportunity to give it a good audition on the Grado-optimized AR.

    I have that Kenny Burrell album spinning right now. The Black2 is definitely warmer than the 8M, but not dull - just more cloudy/smokey. It has a thicker presentation too, with a very full midband. The 8M is much more open and detailed, with a more neutral presentation compared to the Black2. Imaging on the Black2 is pretty good, I'm getting some nice front-to-back depth. It also does very well at suppressing record noise, indicating that it's tracking the groove well.
     
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  9. marcmorin

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    OK, was wondering which exact 8M series.
    The presentation of the Black-2 is more akin to ( IMO / IME) the F-3/G-3 bodies, but a bit warmer
     
  10. ChicagoTom

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    Imaging - that's the quality I love about the Black2. It knocked me out on the first disc I listened to with it, Electric Ladyland.
     
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  11. marcmorin

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    1983 a merman i should turn to be...................:thumbsup:

    had an autographed copy of that
     
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  12. Jeff K

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    EL, made for headphones and intoxicants. :D
     
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  13. beatcomber

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    I listened to that in the car a few days ago - the sound was swirling around inside the cabin!
     
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    Sounds like an offer to host a party! :beerchug:
     
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  15. Straker62

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    I'm becoming eager and eager to read Beatcomber's impressions of the stylus 8MZ fitted on black2 body. Please, as Barry White hit song, don't make me wait too long :)
     
  16. olddude55

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    Well, y'all may not have motivated me to get a Black2, but ya got me to spin Electric Ladyland.
     

     

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  17. marcmorin

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    sides A C and D require coercion?

    side C requires the lights out, and everybody shut up............this ain't dance music, or background noise.
     
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    A Grado Black with 8MZ stylus sounds fantastic on my 1009 SK2.
     
  19. beatcomber

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    @olddude55 , I just moved the Black2 over to my Dual 1019, and it sound wonderful on that table.
     
  20. olddude55

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    OK, I listened to the samples finally. I like the Black2 better than the signature with 8MZ. Black2 has more slam, and my years tell me the soundstage is bigger.
     
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