Ok here goes: One mans experience and opinion about the over sampling ripping of ALL HIS CDs ...

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  1. Bill Ferris

    Bill Ferris Super Member

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    Thanks :thumbsup:
     

     

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  2. onwardjames

    onwardjames Hoardimus Maximus Subscriber

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    To Bill Ferris - First, the courage it takes to soldier on is admirable. Your story is a noble one, also, I was VERY interested with this entire thread. I too have a purpose-built laptop for only music, and yet, it too has drop outs. Far too often.

    With that said, I had to resort to highlighting the line I was on just to continue to read your most recent post (about the new setup).

    I get it - this is difficult for you. Please understand, I WANT to read what obviously is a challenge for you to write.

    No need to feel a ban is in order, or that you should "go away" or anything suggesting such. Please, just remember, a line break every so often simply makes the transition from your mind to mine far easier.

    Keep rocking, Bill. And please, stick around. This is a great place.
     
  3. Bill Ferris

    Bill Ferris Super Member

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    Thank you kind Sir.(AKA onwardjames.)
    I have now recently learned about the enter button line space break for easier reading of my
    long winded diatribes. I guess I don`t get out much ?? :dunno:
    And promise to make all my future replies & posts a bit more readable..

    I have been "lurking" for over a year here and there are a few of you folks, including you, who are patient and understand my forum interface learning curve and I`m grateful, and especially glad you choose to not pounce on me..

    I stumbled upon this site a year and a half ago during a search looking for a volume control for a Fisher 500 receiver volume control and became curious..
    And thought maybe I can learn some specific items/knowledge, and hopefully maybe helpful on a thing or two in return..
    I`m new to all this forum concept and trying to properly learn readable paragraph formatting 101..
    Thank you Sir. for being the diplomatically considerate gentleman that you and a few others have conveyed to me..
    Take care and I hope you have a great weekend..

    Very kind regards, OKB
     
  4. JoeESP9

    JoeESP9 ESL's & tubes since 83

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    By Jove, I think you've got it!:D

    My sincerest apologies if my previous response was inappropriate.
     
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  5. rwartner

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    Onwardjames - you should not have dropouts. A few weeks ago my music computer went wacky. Disk activity went crazy. Tried all sorts of fixes. Ended up doing Windows upgrade and that fixed it. I think it tried to do an upgrade and somehow got stuck in a loop. Running upgrade fixed it. This was causing dropouts.

    While trying various fixes I downloaded JRiver and eventually paid for it. It runs faster. (Not play faster). Scrolling for instance does not lag. It seems to me that internal database is more efficient. That might be one solution.

    Would need information about your setup.
     
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  6. Bill Ferris

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    No problem..Thank you Boss man, I be trying real hard.. I forgot that the enter key was the original CR from ye old days.
     

     

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  7. onwardjames

    onwardjames Hoardimus Maximus Subscriber

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    It doesn't happen too often, but it does indeed happen. I've tried JRiver over and over, and I just......don't......like it. Old Winamp fan, and habits die hard. I'm sure Winamp could be part of it. I also CHOSE Win 7, and use a Meridian Direct DAC.

    I suppose having nearly 27,000 songs and almost 600 gb of music could be the issue? Honestly, it's not that big a deal, but I would like to run it down. Thanks for the tips, and suggestions.

    And Bill Ferris, we need more peaceful, understanding folk here, so I attempt to lead by example. Seems you're off to a great start as well. This, to me, is the essence of AK - group participation in a shared pleasure.

    As I've said before, it ain't a potato sack race.

    Peace, everyone.
     
  8. Alobar

    Alobar Pulling out of the Last Chance Texaco.. Subscriber

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    I am running JRiver through a Raspberry PI3 with the files streamed to it from my PC hard drive with cat5 cable. When I first started with this setup, on rare occasions and always with 24/96 FLAC there would be a split second drop about 10 seconds in. I think I fiddled with the buffer settings a bit and now I have not had a dropout in months. Often it is a simple fix.
     
  9. Bill Ferris

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    Thank you Sir, and good luck on resolving your music computer issues.. I wish I could be more helpful.
    But after investing a good bit of research, time and money into it.. I found my answer which now has excluded computer music streaming!!

    I setup the OPPO 103 to load & run my 316 Gig worth of music usb flash drive & toggle random and let it run.
    I never know what`s going to play next--- it might be Miles, Strauss, Van Halen, or other scores of artists and their songs..
    Warts and all, as I not a big fan of everything they offer, but it sure keeps it interesting !!

    And I don`t have screw with it after I set it up.. 24/7 my OPPO faithfully churns out what I put in. while providing me with a subjectively higher SQ then any computer setup here with the same exact music on them has..

    The OPPO 103, has in reality become a pricy usb to coax based S/PDIF converter, but that`s fine with me for gives me what I want and still retains it`s optical capability if desired..

    Take care folks and enjoy the Memorial weekend.. It`s after drink thirty HERE and I`m already late!! :beerchug:
    Kind regards, OKB
     
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  10. onwardjames

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    I'm resurrecting this thread because I'm at wits end.

    My Meridian Direct DAC will NOT switch from 44.1 ......ever. If I go to the sound tab, and change the setting to 24/192, I can get Music Bee to play the tracks, you see the led's dancing, but no sound comes out, and this is the ONLY instance where the 1x, 2x and 4x light on the Meridian actually changed.

    Nothing else has worked, and I feel that all those HD Tracks I have downloaded are only playing in 44.1.

    Anyone have any tips?? I've used Music Bee, Winamp, VLC, and I just cannot get anything to work. Computer is a 2013 Dell running Windows 7.

    Come to think of it, I had this same issue with my Dragonfly DAC. Should change colors when a new sampling rate plays, but it never ever did.

    I'm all out of answers.
     
  11. +48V

    +48V hi-fi or die

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    You didn't mention what "else" you've tried. So I'll start with the most rudimentary question...

    Do you have the latest driver for your Direct installed? Looks like v3.34.1 is most recent.
     
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  12. Bill Ferris

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    Just a thought Tim, have you gone to Dell`s site to check to see that your drivers are up to date, especially the audio ones ?
    And any that might be needed for your usb to DAC, if used..
    My Peach tree usb to S/PDIF converter needed the higher resolution bit rate driver down loaded from the company`s site.

    I don`t have any high res rips on my Win 7/free upgrade to 10 2010 Gateway lap top, but I can up/over sample play back of the 44.1 music in the sound settings, via the task bar`s speaker icon, on the fly, and after a brief drop out of the sound, windows indicates ok, no problem, and my DAC indicates the higher bit rate with audio output.

    I was just curious and played around with it, to see if there was any sonic difference, and to make sure that if I ever wanted to play a Pure Audio BluRay in the lap top that it would handle it..
    Just a thought/suggestion Sir.
    I wish you luck/success in resolving your situation..
    Take care.
    Kind regards, OKB
     
  13. onwardjames

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    Last night, after downloading everything I could from Meridians website, I got music bee to actually play my 96kps24bit War the world is a ghetto. When I switch back to 44.1, the light stays on 4x, but there is a serious
    Improvement. Don't know if I did what I should have, but it sounds glorious now, even on basic stuff. I must have been in 44.1 the whole time.

    I want to say what I downloaded was 3.7? It was some file installer designed designed to see which Meridian program you have and if you had the latest drivers. Apparently somehow I got it to work.

    Thank you Bill. You would think I would have this licked as I've been using computers ever since Windows 311. I'm not sure how I overlooked this. All I know is that my McIntosh speakers have never sounded this good.
     
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    Very good Sir; I`m glad, that in some small way, my suggestion/s were helpful for you, and you`re most welcome..

    Now enjoy your new found & experiencing higher SQ ripped music listening pleasure..

    Take care Tim, and have a great weekend.

    Very kind regards, OKB
     
  15. onwardjames

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    Thanks, Bill! I have noticed that the apodising filter that Meridian crows so much about, well apparently it wasn't doing much in my previous setup. Now the sound is much improved.

    I spun some cassette-ripped and battered vinyl flac files that I had ripped thru it, and even THOSE sound better.

    I told the wife it was like having a 440 under the hood, and only being able to use Reverse.

    Again, appreciate the tutelage, everyone.
     
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  16. Bill Ferris

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    Yes Sir.
    And I`m still learning my self..

    Mercy Sakes this digitizing/ripping music situation, and its learning curve for max SQ that can be milked from it..
     
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  17. dewdude

    dewdude I fix stuff.

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    I used to upsample all my stuff using SSRC to 96/24.

    This was not a quality increase...it was out of necessity.

    I feel if one feels the need to upsample...such a task is better suited to be done by software during playback....doing it before hand just serves as a way of wasting space.

    I will also say as modern DACs have matured...the need to do so has disappeared. Most of these things are converting to delta-sigma at some poit internally....so you have conversion after conversion.

    I'm more of the opinion of keeping conversions down to a minimum.

    Also..by oversampling i assume you mean 192khz. 192kbps is a bitrate usually used for MP3. 192ksps (kilo samples per second) would also be acceptable.
     
  18. dcgibby

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    Here's a link to the most comprehensive discussion of hi resolution audio (above 16/44) that I've come across yet. https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html
    I have downloaded hi resolution files (from HD Tracks mostly), and to be honest, I doubt if I could tell the difference. So why do it? Because it's there and it might make a difference. Dumb I know, but we all have the hope that the next DAC, the high quality interconnects, dare I say it, the uber expensive speaker wire will result in chills during your next listening session. Not to mention the (possibly misplaced) sense of pride in having the best available.
     
  19. Bill Ferris

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    FWIW, along the lines of over/up sampling the playback of 44.1 music files.
    I have, in the past, tried toggling my OPPO 103`s S/PDIF(which is sent to my DAC) sampling rate while playing 44.1 WAV. ripped music from a flash drive, and there is a change in the SQ, that is arguably smoother sounding & more dynamic(at least to me) .
    My DAC(Grace Design M 920) does not offer any ability to change inputted sampling rates, but merely decodes what is sent to it and reports that rate on it`s LED indicators.

    I don`t run the OPPO 103 at any higher rate than 16/44 after experimenting for a week, or so, with it`s higher up sampling rates, as there was something about the up-sampled sound that kind of sounded surreal, unnatural, with some of the rock recording`s from the seventies that were a little gritty to begin with could sound fatiguing, but really high quality one`s sounded pretty good though ..

    However, I have recently(a little over a week ago) purchased a new OPPO UDP-203 to replace the WAV. music playing 103 in my sunroom IMG_0944.jpg , and as a backup for my rack mounted HT`s 203, and have not tried experimenting with it's S/PDIF output over sampling rates yet.

    Here is a picture of my current WAV. ripped music playback setup with a usb 3 to SATA adaptor connected to a 960 Gig SSD(out of sight and not shown in this picture )that`s soon to be replaced with a 2 Terabyte Corsair SSD that I just purchased..

    I hope to be able to purchase a OPPO UDP-205 soon, if I can, and have registered on their site.

    Kind regards, OKB
     
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  20. awillia6

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    Blind test or sighted?
     

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