Overlooked and Underappreciated Jazz Musicians
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KrisM
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There was a recent thread similar to this. Check out my response in post #2.
When you say "picked over" with regards to BN, does that mean there's nothing left?
Hard to go wrong with almost any BN material from the 'classic' ere. And some of the lesser known stuff can be more valuable, both in money, and listening pleasure.
You'll never see Herbie Nichols at the top of any best Blue Notes to get type of list, but he'd be the near the top of mine.
When you say "picked over" with regards to BN, does that mean there's nothing left?
Hard to go wrong with almost any BN material from the 'classic' ere. And some of the lesser known stuff can be more valuable, both in money, and listening pleasure.
You'll never see Herbie Nichols at the top of any best Blue Notes to get type of list, but he'd be the near the top of mine.
KrisM
Lunatic Member
Crap. I forgot to actually link to the thread I was talking about.
Here it is. Better answer in that 2nd post.
http://audiokarma.org/forums/index....jazz-big-band-musicians.783220/#post-10771117
Take some pics if you can.
There's a group of jazz cats here that can seriously point you in an amazing direction beyond the usual low hanging fruit stuff.
Here it is. Better answer in that 2nd post.
http://audiokarma.org/forums/index....jazz-big-band-musicians.783220/#post-10771117
Take some pics if you can.
There's a group of jazz cats here that can seriously point you in an amazing direction beyond the usual low hanging fruit stuff.
Just because the Blue Notes are gone doesn't mean there isn't some great music left!. Charles Mingus is one of the giants of jazz from the postwar to early 1960s era that never even recorded for Blue Note. Miles Davis recorded almost all his classic albums for Columbia. John Coltrane recorded only one album for Blue Note so there may be something in the collection on Prestige or Atlantic. Most of the West Coast guys--Art Pepper, Chet Baker, Shelly Manne, etc. --were on Contemporary or Pacific Jazz. Bill Evans and T. Monk were on Riverside. Eric Dolphy was on Prestige as were Kenny Dorham and Sonny Rollins. You get the idea!
johnebravo
I should be practicing
Rather than trying to name names, it might be better to point you towards labels that issued a lot of good jazz during the 50s, 60s and 70s. In the 70s especially there were many reissues and two-fer sets that made a lot of good music available again. There were many smaller labels that specialized in jazz and released a lot of fine records.
Labels to watch for: Verve, Prestige, Riverside, Impulse, Milestone, Pablo, Savoy, Contemporary, OJC (Original Jazz Classics) on Fantasy. These labels were so consistent and had such high standards that almost everything in their catalogs is at least listenable, and is probably quite good.
There's also Concord, Chesky, Vanguard, Candid, Barnaby, Archive of Folk and Jazz, Muse, Mercury, Roulette, Argo, Chess, Cadet. Anything on these labels is at least worth looking at closely as a possibility.
Obviously, there are also plenty of good things by big names on Atlantic, Columbia, Capitol, and other major labels.
Some Blue Note stuff was also reissued on labels like Liberty, Applause, Solid State (United Artists). These have much less "collector value" and some believe the audio quality is not as good, but the music is pretty much the same as what was on the original Blue Notes.
The above are mentioned with LPs in mind -- if you're also looking for CDs, that's a different subject.
Labels to watch for: Verve, Prestige, Riverside, Impulse, Milestone, Pablo, Savoy, Contemporary, OJC (Original Jazz Classics) on Fantasy. These labels were so consistent and had such high standards that almost everything in their catalogs is at least listenable, and is probably quite good.
There's also Concord, Chesky, Vanguard, Candid, Barnaby, Archive of Folk and Jazz, Muse, Mercury, Roulette, Argo, Chess, Cadet. Anything on these labels is at least worth looking at closely as a possibility.
Obviously, there are also plenty of good things by big names on Atlantic, Columbia, Capitol, and other major labels.
Some Blue Note stuff was also reissued on labels like Liberty, Applause, Solid State (United Artists). These have much less "collector value" and some believe the audio quality is not as good, but the music is pretty much the same as what was on the original Blue Notes.
The above are mentioned with LPs in mind -- if you're also looking for CDs, that's a different subject.
captouch
Addicted Member
I would advise you to look on discogs to get an idea of how you did so far. Not all old jazz records are worth a lot - some are actually pretty cheap. Paying $15 per record can be a great deal, market price, or overpaying by quite a bit. It really all depends upon condition, how rare a release is, and how much demand there is. I just wouldnt want you to overpay for some titles you may be able to get cheaper elsewhere.
johnebravo
I should be practicing
I would agree with all of this. A flat price of $15 across the board no matter who it is or the condition of the record wouldn't be a particularly good deal for a lot of records.
captouch
Addicted Member
As long as they're in very good condition, you'll likely be just fine. I'd rather have one record in VG+ or better condition than 3 in G+ or worse condition. I got a little over enthused when I started collecting and have some I never play because they're not enjoyable to listen to because of condition, though everyone has a different tolerance for clicks/pops/noise.
Anyway, enjoy picking through those records. Mingus and Evans would be in my top tier to get, so if those were still left after someone had already picked through them, there's likely a lot more good ones to get!
Anyway, enjoy picking through those records. Mingus and Evans would be in my top tier to get, so if those were still left after someone had already picked through them, there's likely a lot more good ones to get!
If your question is geared towards getting information to ensure the records you buy you are not overpaying, that will be difficult to provide an answer as an original pressing of a record will normally be more valuable than a later pressing. If your question is to help you learn more about jazz, that is also difficult as what appeals to one person may not appeal to another. However, if this is what you are looking for, I suggest you listen to what you have already purchased, determine what you like and research the artist. A good place to start would the the allmusic website where you can find subjective ratings on albums. I may not agree with all the ratings but I find that I more often agree with the ratings than disagree. So if your like the art pepper or mingus records you bought are are impressed with a particular sideman/player, you can research the sidemen for their records.
noisefreq
Super Member
Don't know how far reaching his collection is, but there are many excellent Japanese jazz artists not well known over here.
A few I can personally recommend are:
Akira Sakata -- free jazz saxophonist
Terumasa Hino-- considered the Miles Davis of Japan
Masabumi Kikuchi-- excellent jazz pianist from the 1970's
I'm sure there are many others I'm not aware of.
A few I can personally recommend are:
Akira Sakata -- free jazz saxophonist
Terumasa Hino-- considered the Miles Davis of Japan
Masabumi Kikuchi-- excellent jazz pianist from the 1970's
I'm sure there are many others I'm not aware of.
