Pioneer RT707 - general info and tips

JT-3

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So I finally decided to buy a R2R, I know my Dad has recordings of me as a kid and I wanted one to complete the stack. I spent time reading about this model and chose it since it has a reputation for being reliable. I searched all the posts here and thought I'd post some general posts/advice to common issues from very knowledgeable folks on this site - Skylab, tapetech, Rich P, Pioneervato, GPS16, and others...

RT707 Details:
This deck has 3 motors and is a direct-drive capstan. That means the capstan motor and capstan shaft are the same item. Only belt in the machine is for the counter.

The 707 is a great sounding deck. It's only limitations versus bigger decks are no 10" reels, and its 2-track playback is only fair, since it is a 4-track deck. But stick to 4-track reels, which are the majority of pre-recorded reels, and you will be in great shape.

For recording, the RT-707 records in the forward direction only, but plays back in both directions. To record side 2, you must swap the reels at the end of side 1 and record side 2 in the forward direction.

Auto shut off mechanism:
The 707 has an "auto shut-off mechanism" that engages when there is no tape or when the tape has run out. It is located between the left playback head and the erase head. When tape is present and taught it moves the spring loaded wire upwards and keeps it there during play back. When the tape runs out or when there is no tape present the spring loaded trip wire descends downward and engages the auto shut off mechanism.

The deck will never work without tape loaded. Even if the deck is 100% functional.

If you are having issues with playing, try this: use your left thumb or finger push up on the trip wire and hold it in the retracted position and then press "Play". If your auto shut off mechanism is working properly the tape will continue in play mode for as long as you keep the trip wire in the retracted position. Now, once you have determined that your machine is working just as it should be release the trip wire and within a second or two the trip wire should descend downward and cause your machine to disengage from "Play" mode. The trip wire should move freely without sticking. It is not under heavy spring tension but instead very slight tension and takes only very light pressure to move up under tape tension. This bar should be in the tape path so that when the tape is threaded it will push up on the sensor wire and allow it to operate the transport section. It's that little hoop next to the reverse playback head. Make sure it moves up and down (it is supposed to be damped so that it won't return too quickly and cause nuisance shut offs). Make sure that you hear a slight "click" when you move it up, otherwise your transport mechanism ain't gonna budge.

If the above does not work in keeping the 707 in play mode then there is an issue with the relay that governs the auto shut off mechanism. It may not be disengaging properly.

About the Pinch Roller:
With the RT-707, the pinch roller on the left is different, made of a hard plastic material and is an anti-flutter roller. The pinch roller on the right is made with normal rubber. The 707 only has one pinch roller.

You may be able to restore the pinch roller:

Put a piece of 400 grit sandpaper on a flat surface.
Hold the pinch roller so the working surface contacts the sandpaper, and move it in small circles, while constantly turning the roller so as to buff it uniformly and make no flat spots. When it is evenly dull all around, clean it with ethanol to get the dust off, then treat it with CAIG RBR. This will work if the roller is resilient to begin with. If the roller is really hard, you need a new one. If you need a new pinch roller and usually it's best to simply replace it, send it to Terry's Rubber Rollers.

Speed Issue:
The speed problem that is a very common issue with the RT-707 and 701 is in the molex style mulit pin connector, facing the machine and on the right side, underneath and upside down under the servo control board. There are 6 wires coming out of the capstan motor. They go to the speed-servo board. Clean the board-plug connector for those six wires. Clean the speed-change switch with Deoxit. If the machine has stood for any time the connections in the switch may be tarnished. Change the state of the speed switch about 20 times. This sliding action may clean them up enough to get any movement out of the capstan motor. A critical thing to make sure of is that if your machine suddenly has speedup problems is to clean the pitch control pot with Deoxit fader lube. The white plastic multi pin connector is often the culprit for the dreaded runaway capstan disorder.

Tape skew / tape rolling off capstan:
Causes are too low back-tension or excessive take-up tension (or both). Low back tension also can cause also cause the problem you were having with the left record channel drop-outs. Sometimes a defective pinch roller or incorrect pinch pressure can cause skew. Wrong tension arm alignment can cause skew as well.

Head Alignment:
Do not mess with the head alignment screws. Ever. The factory alignment is usually spot-on and should never be touched. Head alignment does not drift or change over time, but if someone has mis-aligned the heads, then this can cause skew as well as the record drop-out defect. Getting the heads back to the factory-set position is a job for an experienced RTR technician. If the deck has been played a lot with the heads in the wrong position, this with usually ruin the head surface. It's relap time or new head time. Head installation should always be left to a good technician if you want it done right, one option is to send the whole head-block assembly to JRF Magnetics.

Adjusting Playback Level:
Page 39 of the manual tells you which pots adjust playback level. You need to buy an MRL test tape (250 nWb/m). With the tape and an audio millivolt meter connected to the output of your deck, you adjust the pots for -4.5 dbV. (spec is -7dbV, but the test tape is 2.5 db higher in output than the specified tape). On the same page is meter cal, which should also be set. With the MRL tape, the meters should read +2.5 db. Or if you have an audio oscillator, you adjust the meters for zero when there is -7dbV on the deck's output. Lastly, before you start turning pots, make sure the tape monitor switch is good. Clean it with deoxit spray.

Cleaning:
Look at the output level controls, which are on the back panel, and make sure they are set the same for each channel. Try cleaning those controls, as well as the "line" control on the front.

Don't spray the motors with Deoxit switch cleaner and the motor does not need to be lubed. Clean/lube the pinch roller bearing.

With this deck, this problem is usually nothing more than a pitch pot with dirty contacts. A shot of Deoxit into this pot after taking the front panel off and you should be in business.

Make sure the capstan "spins" by hand. If it doesn't than you either have a frozen motor due to old, dried-out lube, or it has fried. Make sure the fuses are good.

Faceplate Removal:
In order:
remove the case
remove the bottom plate screws
remove the bottom plate
remove the face plate screws
remove the knobs for the MIC and LINE controls
remove the face plate

There is a good tip in the manual for removing the front panel. Use a rubber band around both rollers to pull them towards center. This helps keep them out of the way as you remove the panel.

Tape counter belt replacement:
The tape belt is the only belt in this deck. You will need to remove the front panel to access it. Be careful when removing or replacing as the buttons have plastics in them. You do not need to remove that brake c-clip.

Just push in the brake solenoid which releases the brake and feed the belt around the hub, between it and the brake band. You'll see the belt as soon as you get the face off. You'll need to remove both rollers, head cover, and knobs, then finagle the tape guides around until the faceplate comes off. You don't need to remove the guides. They will move forward enough for you to get the faceplate off.

Start with removing the left tape base and brake strap guard.

1) Luckily the counter spindle pulley itself is open so the belt can slip over from the back. This is the first step. This step can be time-consuming, but this is the end you want to put on first. You should not have to remove any of the counter assembly to do this. It is a bit tricky, but can be done.

2) Guide the belt back behind the counter mechanism from the front using my hand. Once you can see the belt from the back, take a long screwdriver, and gently slipped it over the counter pulley from the rear.

3) Next, from the front of the deck bring the other end of the belt under the right lower side of the brake strap and proceed to stretch it up and around the left tape base between it and brake strap. You will have to stretch the belt a little, but you can work it around the tape base and strap, by having a third hand moving the brake level/mechanism to loosen the strap as you work the belt around the tape base.

4) Once the belt is behind the tape base spindle that last step is putting it into the small pulley.

Feel free to post additions or any have other advice...I really like this deck. Now the hunt is on to find some playing material. :)
 

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Good, accurate information for any 707 owner considering DIY.

Perhaps add...

-clean/lube the pinch roller bearing.... often gets gummed up on this model.
-clean all the top row switches (in addition to the already mentioned speed switch). I've seen most of them causing defects.

The list would be a good Sticky.
 
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Hi,
Your comment about the Auto Stop Mechanism is not strictly correct. With no tape loaded it can be over-ridden. The Auto Stop is done by discharging a capacitor into the stop solenoid to disengage the buttons. The discharge is a pulse. If the play button is pressed and held once the auto stop has pulsed the play function will continue indefinitely. I used this method to clean the pinch roller. It can be cleaned with a Cotton Bud whilst it is in contact with the capstan with no tape loaded. Just press stop on completion of the clean.

Hope this helps.

GPS16
 
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Pioneer RT-707 writeup

Excellent writeup on the Pioneer RT-707 reel to reel.
Very detailed and descriptive information that is sure to help anyone out who needs it.
Thanks for taking the time to post this. :thmbsp:
 
Excellent writeup on the Pioneer RT-707 reel to reel.
Very detailed and descriptive information that is sure to help anyone out who needs it.
Thanks for taking the time to post this. :thmbsp:

As a new owner of an RT-707, I want to second the above statement. :thmbsp:
 
Great thread I just got one and cleaned the heads and just replaced both arrow bulbs and have it hooked up. I love this thing sounds great and nice to not have to change the record all the time I am hooked on this thing it is too cool.
 
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Love my deck, plays back on both channels but only records on one channel. Deoxit all of the push button controls-doesn't help. Any suggestions?
 
The source/monitor switch is the most important to get clean, but if you have cleaned it well, and exercised it 25 times or so, then perhaps confirm that all the leads to the record head are connected. Should be 4.

Do you get level showing on meters for both channels when recording and set to source?

Does the problem move from one channel to the other when you reverse your input connections?

I have never opened mine up, so I don't know about any relays in the signal path, and I am not good at reading a schematic, but I do see at least one relay in a muting circuit-not sure if it's related.

There are others here who are way better at this stuff. Hopefully they will chime in
 
Could also be that the line input level pot is dirty. Try cleaning and exercising it as well. I assume you've already thoroughly cleaned the heads?
 
There is another common problem with the 707. Or well maybe less than common, but I've heard it bandied about and I have the problem with mine. Apparently there is a relay somewhere inside that trips for record mode. When it's dirty it somehow stays slightly connected, which will record a ghost echo on any tape you simply PLAY. That's right, it will wreck your recordings when you play them. It's also usually intermittent. It can be worked around by always turning line and mic input volume to zero during playback. Not sure where the relay is located or how to fix it though. (Was hoping to find that here)

Another very common problem is hiss when the tape/source switch is set to source. This happens even with no inputs connected, and the hiss level is well above that of prerecoeded tape or even tape that was recorded decades ago. Sometimes it may be higher in one channel than the other, but often the hiss will be the same. The issue is that the transistors on the input amplifier board do not age well. Replace them all. I have two 707s with this problem, and a 701 that does not (it has a much much lower hiss. What id consider normal)

Charles.
 
Good, accurate information for any 707 owner considering DIY.

Perhaps add...

-clean/lube the pinch roller bearing.... often gets gummed up on this model.
-clean all the top row switches (in addition to the already mentioned speed switch). I've seen most of them causing defects.

The list would be a good Sticky.


Hello tapetech, I know this is an extremely old thread, but came upon it when trying to find out the best way to clean the push button
switches on the top row of the RT-707. I have it opened up, but those push button switches look pretty well sealed. Can you please tell
me where I would spray in the Deoxit on those? All is good with my deck now, but it is running just a little too slow on play. The pitch control
does not get it to the right speed. I've already put lots of Deoxit in that pot and worked it. I want to clean/lube the push button switches -
especially speed selector switch, before putting it back together. I'm hoping this will fix my speed issue. Thanks much for any assistance you can give.
 
The switches have round spray access holes on the tops

And did you clean the 6 connector plug on the motor drive board as indicated in post #1?

You may need to have your pinch roller recovered by Terry's if you can't fix the speed problem with switch cleaning.
 
Hi guys,

these switches will self clean but you need to keep them moving. The switch works by a sliding action and if moved regularly the dirt will be "cut through" by moving the switches from state to state. If you have speed problems on a 707/701 do not forget the Rec Switch as it enforces mid scale on the pitch pot when Rec is selected. This switch also needs to be cleaned for Speed Control problems. It is a changeover switch and is in circuit "at all times".

I used to do this pretty much once a month. With the machine powered off. Go from the Speed Switch and to the right. Change it's state at least twice. With problems try 3. With the Stop Button fully depressed, press all 4 mode buttons at least 5 times. After that the Repeat switch is the only straggler.

After that the socket/plug from the motor to the Servo PCB is the next port of call. The connections from the FG feedback coil are notorious for getting bad connections. This causes speed instability. If the Feed Back is corrupted then the servo tries to "smooth them out" the inconsistencies and may make matters worse.

To Burgerman, if this does not restore the "Status Quo" then further checks on the servo PCB may be necessary. If the speed is steady then the Servo is in control and it is controlling on an error. Bad connections need to be ruled out before and advancement is made on the fault.

GPS16
 
Thanks very much for your reply. I didn't notice round access holes on top, unless they are very tiny. I will look again after work today. I did see an opening (not round), toward the front just behind the button, on the top, that is open and you can see white plastic parts that move, but didn't want to spray it there.

And yes, I did clean that six connector white plug on the motor drive board very well, and put some 100% red Deoxit
on the contacts.

My issue seems weird. Almost all the other speed issues I've seen mentioned are too fast, or runaway speeds, but mine is just a little too slow. It's not terrible, but definitely noticeable and not right.

I haven't been on the forum in quite some time. Not sure who Terry's is for the pinch roller rebuild/recover. Can you please direct me on that? It is a forum member? Or maybe online person? Man, if recovering the pinch roller fixed my problem, I would be elated. The deck looks great, and sounds excellent, except for the speed issue.

Also, I purchased a new (well, not really "new") pitch pot on ebay, and put an ohmeter on it and it seems to be functioning normally. I was going to try just replacing the pitch pot to see if that works, but once I got the deck apart, I can see how to physically get the pot out, but, it's not easy at all to see where all those wires are going, so I abandoned that for now.
 
Thanks very much for the tips tapetech. And also, thanks to you too GPS16. All very good information. At least now I have a few things to try.

I would not mind taking it to a shop to have it fixed, but I just don't have anyone in my area who works solely on RTR machines. There is an electronics repair shop that says they can fix it, but I'm just too worried they might cause new
problems. It's so close to working 100% now, I'd hate to have someone who is not an expert on RTR decks mess it up.

I will will check the condition of the pinch roller, and exercise the switches after work today, and hopefully that will help
fix my problem. Also, GPS16, I'm not sure what the FG feedback coil is.

Thank you both for taking the time to respond!
 
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