SWL3600
Super Member
Yep, Della Brown is one of my test songs as well.
Queensryche's Empire, reference material?
- Thread starter hopjohn
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Yep, Della Brown is one of my test songs as well.
I revisited this song recently, and it's really great.
cratz2
Addicted Member
cratz2
Addicted Member
That's awesome!
Tell him he owes me at least $10 for turning like 20 people onto them from 1984 - 1988.
Jim probably owes me a bit more.
Tell him he owes me at least $10 for turning like 20 people onto them from 1984 - 1988.
Jim probably owes me a bit more.
Here you go Brother, John and I having a little fun at my house with a few of my guitars
HTWillie
Super Member
Interesting. Sometime soon I'll give the Herb Alpert a play and see what you're talking about.
Mister Pig
Pigamus Maximus
Some people like Queensryche, their music speaks to them. I get that.
Reference quality recording? I decided to revisit it, so I pulled up the disc. Reference quality? No. Not close. No way. This is a dead sounding studio multi-track mash up that isn't close to having any natural decay structure or resolution. Some songs sound better than others, but its mediocre at best.
Like the music, and I grew up in the Ryche's glory days. But not a reference album in my book.
Regards
Mister Pig
Reference quality recording? I decided to revisit it, so I pulled up the disc. Reference quality? No. Not close. No way. This is a dead sounding studio multi-track mash up that isn't close to having any natural decay structure or resolution. Some songs sound better than others, but its mediocre at best.
Like the music, and I grew up in the Ryche's glory days. But not a reference album in my book.
Regards
Mister Pig
Try spinning Shpongle - Museum of Consciousness. That will test your system
Mister Pig
Pigamus Maximus
Eric Lloyd
Well-Known Member
After another listen, I cannot endorse Empire as a setup reference. It was great to put it on again, though. For system setup I have used several different albums over time. Lately, I've been falling back to Rickie Lee Jones first record, and I've recently added Suzanne Vega's Nine Objects Of Desire.
Mister Pig
Pigamus Maximus
Funny, those are two discs out of 30 go to discs I also use. But I do like the RLJ Naked Songs as a reference disc a bit more.
Regards
Mister Pig
justjed2
Super Member
If even a couple of engineers have done it, his claim has weight. Whether it has value is a little more subjective. I rather like Empire, and I use it because I am familiar with it, there's enough going on to keep it interesting. It's one of those albums that was recorded well enough that it sounds at least decent even on inexpensive gear, and yet gets better as the quality of playback gear goes up. I'm not going to argue the relative merits of Empire as an industry standard reference piece, I personally don't think it's that good. Close, but not that good. Still, I know a lot of musicians that like it a lot, for any number of reasons. It's DEFINITELY a well-known and much respected collection of songs. Say what you will about Tate & Co, and the pitfalls of egos that match the talent, Empire is still a really good album.
teal'c
Nuclear Cardiac Parent
No need to feel guilty, it's a great song.
Ya know, I am going to purchase a Japanese JASRAC copy of the disc. I wouldn't much be using the 1st gen commercial American LP release, IMO, CD had taken over by then, the already worn LP presses were getting no further attention. So no, that's not where I want to be, nor do I want to fork any real coin over for a re-issue. I have no comment on overseas LP version, I have no experience with them.
Being a CD guy here makes me a bit of an enigma, but I really took to the format and have always put my dollars into good players. With time, I noticed the English and Japanese versions typically had the SQ I was looking for, followed by the German productions.
So, as I was thinking about my old copy (American) and the SQ, along with the comments in this thread, (working hard to attempt to not let dissenting opinions effect my recall), I do feel the bass work and overall fidelity was ok. What I think failed was the congestion during the most dynamic passages, and the general midrange tone being fairly hard, or brassy.
That said, the EQ'ing of the Japanese discs can be quite different, more carefully thought out. So for ~$10, I'll get one and give it a run through the Vitus, with a different system than I had then.
I'll be looking forward to sharing my impressions.
Being a CD guy here makes me a bit of an enigma, but I really took to the format and have always put my dollars into good players. With time, I noticed the English and Japanese versions typically had the SQ I was looking for, followed by the German productions.
So, as I was thinking about my old copy (American) and the SQ, along with the comments in this thread, (working hard to attempt to not let dissenting opinions effect my recall), I do feel the bass work and overall fidelity was ok. What I think failed was the congestion during the most dynamic passages, and the general midrange tone being fairly hard, or brassy.
That said, the EQ'ing of the Japanese discs can be quite different, more carefully thought out. So for ~$10, I'll get one and give it a run through the Vitus, with a different system than I had then.
I'll be looking forward to sharing my impressions.
JarredCrowe
AK's drunk troublemaker
I've liked the first 5 queensryche albums my whole life, compared to their contemporaries at the time I'd say their stuff tends to be recorded better than most and I think it still sounds pretty good but I would never consider it reference quality..
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