Rogue audio Kronos or parasound halo 2.1

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  1. gesauce

    gesauce New Member

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    Thinking of a new integrated any opinions on these two. I know one in tube the other solid state but the parasound is quite new and has a lot of features. Any opines
     
  2. runnin'

    runnin' Super Member

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    They are going to be two very different sounding units. Some people really love the sound of tubes, and don't mind the higher maintenance needed. Do you know if you are one of those?
     
  3. gesauce

    gesauce New Member

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    I am currently running all tube ARC 76A, Audible Illusions Modulus, but wanted to try something more current
     
  4. runnin'

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    I've owned Parasound gear and my experience is that they do have a sound that is not bright or sterile as some solid state amps are, but is slightly on the warm side. I've actually gotten to the point where I'm considering re-acquiring the A21. There is a thread here somewhere on the Halo integrated, and people seem pretty happy with it.

    I like the very flexible crossover arrangement for a subwoofer, plus the DAC section is supposed to be very good as is the phono section. The headphone jack can drive any headphones and is also great sounding. They've really paid attention to the details with this unit. As far as integrateds go, it's pretty loaded.
     
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  5. Jeff K

    Jeff K Well-Known Member

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    I recently bought a Rogue Cronos Magnum II. The quality of assembly looked impeccable, but one transformer had a hum that could be heard from 10 feet away when there was no input. I also found that instruments that normally had a nice bite (electric guitars, trumpets, etc.), were irritating/harsh on this sample. Finally, while it had a nice sense of separation of voices and instruments spatially, I often got the sense of them not playing together (PRAT? I hate that term). I probably had a bad sample because it gets glowing reviews, but ended up sending it back. Not easy at 55 lbs.

    I ended up getting a Parasound Halo Integrated and could not be happier. It just does everything right in my system. YMMV
     
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  6. gesauce

    gesauce New Member

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    Thanks, that's the kind of review that helps
     
  7. Jeff K

    Jeff K Well-Known Member

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    I really wanted to love the Rogue. It's a great looking unit. The KT120s are visually impressive as hell.

    I agree with runnin'. The Hint's DAC and phono section are very good, too.
     
  8. musichal

    musichal poet emeritus Subscriber

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    I think the OP chose well. I was very tempted, also.

    I always thought pace, rhythm and timing was up to the musicians/vocalists. I also thought prat was an idiot, although I understand it can also refer to a person's buttocks. I only ever heard it used for idiot until some British prats applied it to audio. (That's just a guess on the Brits, I don't really know who started it, but I'm thinking it's a good guess.)

    "I'll take Audiophilia for 100, Alex."

    "And the answer is: pace, rhythm and timing."

    "What are three words very nearly synonyms?"
     
  9. thymanst

    thymanst Minnesota morning Subscriber

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    I have the Parasound halo integrated - I ran it without the .1 at first on a pair of goldenear triton 1’s and a pair of usher mini dancers dmd 1’s and it sounded very good - I’m always tinkering so one day I hooked up two velodynes to the Hint - it was a game changer, best sound I’ve had in my room (kind of irregular shaped) with both speakers ( the usher tweeter is amazing) the dac is excellent (music coming from Mac mini) the Parasound has home theater pass thru so I use it to power the speakers and pass thru to subs when running home theater. A real Swiss Army knife of audio gear.
     
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  10. avanti1960

    avanti1960 Well-Known Member

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    I was in the same boat a while back and picked the Rogue CMII. To optimize the sound quality you need to use the correct tap for your speakers- e.g, 4 or 8 ohms. They can sound completely different and the best position should be obvious. You also need to ditch the 5 small signal tubes for some NOS models. There are some great recipes available through online research but the combo I eventually settled on literally transformed the amplifier. Absolutely no comparison to the Halo and as others have reported no comparison to SS or tube gear that is significantly more expensive.
    One key difference is sound stage. Solid state sound stage is the size of a big screen TV. All tube sound stage is wall to wall, floor to ceiling yet focused and delineated.
     
  11. ictwoody

    ictwoody I like vintage gear — my preamp is from 2007. Subscriber

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    Man, that’s a pretty gross generalization. Verging on offensive.

    One of my current systems is a Parasound P5/A23 combo into my Tekton Design Pendragons. The soundstage is freaking huge. It’s the most transparent and the closest to a dissapeering act that the Pens have done to date.

    Soundstage has more to do with the speakers, placement and ROOM. More than most of the electronics, in my opinion. While good electronics make a difference, speakers make a bigger difference in that regard, followed by the preamp.

    I’ve owned A LOT of great gear. Tubes and SS. While i haven’t heard the Cronus Magnum, I know the HInt is supposed to be great and even better than my P5/A23 combo. I think the Rogue it’s probably pretty good, but needing to start tube rolling immieditaly shouldn’t be a nessessity.

    If you want tubes, I’d suggest looking at Primaluna before Rogue. Contact Kevin Deal at Upscale Audio and talk to him about the line. He’s extremely knowledgeable in the tube world and will shoot you straight. For a fantastic SS Integrated, I don’t think you can go wrong with the Halo... it has basically received nothing but praise, Plus it has a killer feature set.

    – Woody
     
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  12. savatage1973

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    ++++1 on this!!!
     
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  13. musichal

    musichal poet emeritus Subscriber

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    Not even my POS SS amp can make the Khorns soundstage that small. I heard some pipe organ last night and the soundstage and ambience were way larger than my room. I get that you have a tube bias, but sweeping generalizations... oh, well. Enjoy your stuff and happy listening!
     
  14. savatage1973

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    Just another consideration--especially when considering price. The Parasound is going to sound what it is going to sound like right out of the box. I know someone with the Rogue, and the first thing he did (had to do to make it sound good) was spend another couple hundred bucks on the front-end tubes. It's not a bad amp, but not something I would run out and buy--but that is just me.
     

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