Sansui AU-X11 Restoration

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  1. Hyperion

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    Not on the example I restored.

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  2. Serggsa

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    What condensers can be used on replacement of "Black flags" with a small capacity from 2-47pf?
     
  3. Hyperion

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    Either 'Silver Mica' types, or C0G/NPO ceramic types - I have used both (in different amplifiers) but I personally prefer 'C0G/NPO' ceramic, for their small size and good performance, as a bonus they are also cheaper than Silver Mica, at least where I can get them from. :)

    Note that there are other types of ceramic capacitors - these are no good, it must be 'C0G/NPO' type ceramic.

    Silver Mica like this (500V rating is commonly available)
    https://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/Cornell-Dubilier-CDE/CDS10FD101JO3F?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtLiKaZgV7flb%2bgzMmGlOaWTQa0lRb4a5A=

    C0G/NPO Ceramic like this (100V rating is usually as high as these go in the low values needed)
    https://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/Murata-Electronics/RDE5C2A100J0M1H03A?qs=sGAEpiMZZMt3KoXD5rJ2N9MygfILGh5Wpr6yy0G/Izv%2bXFCsU%2b1lpA==
     
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  4. Serggsa

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    What of ceramic condensers it is better, multilayered or single-layer?
     
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    How you solved a problem with replacement of assembly 2SK129? What changed for?
    Zero at the exit changes because of it? Output transistors can flow and influence it?
     

     

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  7. Hyperion

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    I have never needed to change a 2SK129 - ever.

    It is very unusual for a 2SK129 to be the cause of high DC offset - in the vast majority of cases the problem lies elsewhere.
     
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    What can serve as the reason of lack of constancy of zero at the exit? Zero drifts in great values. From it the background in loudspeakers appears.
    Disconnected a payment of the driver from the preliminary amplifier. Malfunction flees by the driver. Current of shift is exposed. Remains only 2SK129. Therefore I ask that there is no constancy.
     
  9. kevzep

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    I agree, its not the 2SK129, I have never ever had to replace one either.
     
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  10. Serggsa

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    Replaced all transistors 2SA992 and 2SS1845, did not help.
     
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    How much DC offset do you have (in volts) at the output - I think you are saying it varies a lot - please say by how much in volts.

    Have you checked the power supply voltages? - are they stable? are they the correct voltages? - this is the first thing to check.
     

     

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  12. Serggsa

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    Only tension in one shoulder 68B, in another 68.5B comes to the driver. It walks depending on tension in network, it without stabilizer a little.
    At the exit it is not possible to achieve stable zero. Tension jumps to 200 mV.
     
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    Are both channels like this? or just one?
     
  14. Serggsa

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    Both.
    In one channel jumps a little more, than in another.
     
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  15. Hyperion

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    Have you reconditioned the driver boards? - including replacing all the 'Black Flags' ? and the trimmers? - and in general given them the same treatment as you should have seen here on AK in various AU-X11 (and AU-X1) threads.
     
  16. Serggsa

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    Did not change "Black flags" and trimmers yet.
    Washed out trimmers and greased. It is possible to expect it from condensers?
     

     

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    I strongly recommend you replace them.
    They can make a difference to this kind of problem, providing they are 'new' replacements.

    But DO replace the Black Flags as soon as possible.
     
  18. Serggsa

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    On replacement ceramic multilayered C0G/NPO condensers "Murata" and trimmers are acquired.
    Tomorrow-the day after tomorrow I will make replacement. I will unsubscribe about results. Can you and are right.

    Really the modern ceramics is better "Black Flags"?
    Sounding of the amplifier will not be worse from it?
     
  19. Hyperion

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    Definitely more reliable.
    No.
     
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    The black flags are degrading - you can tell when you remove some of them as they have become swollen and pitted with age (and I guess maybe heat also).

    They are a liability and were not used in many amplifiers. Its only a matter of time before they cause serious issues. I am not even sure that many are in the signal path. The recommended replacements are very high quality and will be extremely stable.
     

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