Should I include the SACD format in my main system?

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  1. sgleich

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    I listen to both vinyl and High Res digital files currently. All of my CD's boxed up as are two decent CD players. I was thinking of adding a dedicated SACD player to my main system and sourcing a few of my favorites in that format. Seems a bit crazy as I have most of those favorites on both LP and in FLAC formats. I guess I would like to see what SACD's sound like, those that were mastered well anyway.

    Questions: How long will SACD be around?

    Would something like a used Marantz SA8001 fit the bill?

    Listen mostly to late 50's early 60's Jazz and a few rock favorites as well as impressing the Wife with Diana Krall etc. Thoughts?
     

     

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    Why not just add a DSD capable DAC?

    I was just listening to some DSD files I have last night, some very smooth sounding Diana Krall was one of them.
     
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  3. botrytis

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    Well, some of the SACD releases of Ella Fitzgerald's music are phenomenal.

    olson_jr has it right also. A DSD capable DAC would be useful. SACD=DSD=DSF/DFF files
     
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    Finally, and in print!
     
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  5. botrytis

    botrytis Trying not to be a Small Speaker Hoarder Subscriber

    Just this once :D:beerchug::beerchug::p
     
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    I guess the question is, what resolution are your FLAC files?
     

     

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    FLAC's are 24/96 and 24/192. I have several, mostly Jazz, and Vinyl rips of my Music Matters, AP and other records. Those are 24/96. Others from HD tracks are mostly 24/192. These are all played currently through laptop and Multibit Modi. In work showroom, I play same files with desktop and Fio D3? Dac.

    I am not sure what this would do? Just not familiar with SACD playback or do you mean just play DSD files through Foobar for instance? Do DSF, DSD files contain more info as opposed to flacs?
     
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  8. botrytis

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    DSD files do contain more information. Some people say they sound worse, some say better. You can make DSF files from an SACD iso file.

    If you have a DAC that can do DSF and high res files you can do it all, mostly but MQA files (we won't open that can o' worms right now).

    There are many inexpensive DAC's that can do both DSD and high res FLAC files. I have three DACs that can do these files, DSF and FLAC, iFi Nano, SMSL-M8 and my main DAC a TEAC UD-501.
     
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    That Teac looks nice! Do you use the USB or Optical input?
     
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    Good players capable of SACD can be found for very cheap so there’s no reason not to. TOTL players from Pioneer Elite, Sony ES, and Denon that we’re sold as “universal” machines before Blu Ray came on the scene are perfect. All have high quality DACs and great build quality.
     
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    There are also a number of older DVD players for cheap (I'm mostly familiar with Pioneers) that output stereo and multichannel SACD over HDMI for reclocking and DACing by downstream devices (receivers, prepros, etc.). I use such a setup with a Pio DV-49AV/Denon AVR-3808 combo for the few SACDs (less than 100) I own.
     

     

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    For myself I wouldn't bother with SACD unless I had a a 5 speaker system to play Multi-Channel SACD. I do have that but the speakers aren't matched very well especially the front to the center speaker. It takes me a lot of adjusting to get what I have to sound well together so that I can really enjoy the music. I have only one pre-amp/reciever that does multi-Channel. I have many integrated amp, reciever, and pre-amp-amp possiblities in my man cave. Most times I'm very happy with my 2-channel sound. Most days SACD is more trouble than its worth. But I do have a few multi-channel discs that I really like. So every now and then I set it up My 2 cents.
     
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    in a word, yes. whether you have to have all the extended features of SACD, there's still the
    fact that SACD is thriving in the growing markets and depending on (music, equipment,
    ears, etc) you may find SACD very good.

    I didn't think it would be but I heard BIS' Bach Cello Concertos in hybrid. the CD layer was OK
    but the SACD was incredible. but only after I picked up a cheap SACD player.

    on the other hand, on a hybrid rolling stones, the CD and SACD was indistinguishable both
    not so good. I leave it at some combination of live concert recording and mixing.

    since they've been around since 1999, you can find early generations of SACD players
    that are now super cheap on CL, ebay, etc. some of these are highlighted by their
    DVD prowess and the SACD capability is lost in the weeds.

    the benefit of a cheapie is that if your library and tastes now point to SACD, you can
    upgrade to your wallet's ceiling and the price of entry can be your backup.
     
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    By happy coincidence, my Marantz SA-15S2 SACD player gives me the best CD sound I have had, by quite a margin. The next year's model would let me use its DAC from my computer, but not mine, alas. It's the darkest of my digital sources, but not rolled-off, just not bright. Perfect, for me, at least. Stereo only, though.

    I haven't heard a Marantz SA8001, and wouldn't want to speculate on whether the same qualities would apply.
     
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    Well I have found a few titles that I can't seem to find in any decent condition on vinyl for a decent price. I haven't played a CD in over a year and would like to thin the herd there. Maybe keep my best and sell the rest. With a SACD player I could do that.

    As for quality, same deal with LP's and CD's. If they were not mastered well or used a good master they sound horrible. I probably have 50 CD's of favorite all time LP's that I didn't play since they sounded so terrible. Since getting back into vinyl, I have been selective after being very disappointed with some of my first purchases.

    I can see myself content with SACD's, LP's and HR Digital files. That would end the search for a few good pressings I want that are hard to come by and very costly in nice condition. I am one of those who like what I like and can listen over and over.
     
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    I looked again at the SA8001 and then looked at the SA8005. That would fit aesthetically better in main system. That matters there as the Wife has a say (or thinks so!).

    This one would pass the looks test aside Tandberg gear.
    http://us.marantz.com/us/Products/P...Id=HiFiComponents&SubCatId=0&ProductId=SA8005
     

     

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    I have an SA8005. It's a good unit. You can also use it as an "external DAC" for both PCM and DSD.
     
  18. botrytis

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    Not for DSD, sorry. Disc players either use HDMI or analog, you cannot use any other digital output for DSD.
     
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    So it turns out that I do have some DFF and DSD files in some rips I got from my Nephew. They do play with Foobar 2000 through my Modi. Is Foobar converting these on the fly? They sound great.
     
  20. botrytis

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    Yes, down converting. You should hear when they are played and not down converted.
     
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