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Should I include the SACD format in my main system?

Discussion in 'Digital Sources' started by sgleich, Feb 4, 2018.

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  1. SkyRanger

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    BIS puts out wonderful SACDs, mostly classical. Telarc (sadly departed) put out many orchestral and jazz SACDs, which I treasure. I am having great fun with two vintage turntables, discovering great music that never made it to cd, but I also have two SACD systems. I love having both!

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  2. sgleich

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    I see. Yes, I would like to get every bit of info out of every file whether I can hear it all or not. :) I don't want to start anything but I can tell the difference between a CD rip and a 24/192 file and a well mastered and pressed LP.

    Thanks. I can see that benefit and I would like to hear a well made SACD played natively.
     
  3. sgleich

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    And then there is this... Better looks than the 8001. It seems that this would act as a DAC to play DSD files? Is that correct? If so, would it be an upgrade to my Modi Multibit?

    http://us.marantz.com/us/Products/P...Id=HiFiComponents&SubCatId=0&ProductId=SA8005

    Or are you saying this will not act like a DSD DAC?
     
  4. botrytis

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    If you play an SACD (DSD physical medium), in your disc player (and it is set properly to read the SACD layer), it will not put out any digital sound other than HDMI. It will put out the signal to the analog outputs also.
     
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  5. KrisM

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    I don't think that's what the OP and PAGS were getting at.
    It was about taking the digital files(DSD files in this case, and not a disc) and using the player to do the DAC work. Digital out wasn't any part of that.

    As for the original question in the first post? I'd say it's a tough one. I have SACD capable players, and a modest collection. I'd hate to get rid of them, but I'm not sure if I'd jump in today if I was starting from scratch.
    There are plenty of stellar jazz SACD titles though, so if you're OK with the selection that is out there, and are OK with it from a budget standpoint, I'd say go for it.
     
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    That particular player (SA8005) seems to claim that it will play DSD from a computer but does not say at what rate. This is what it says... Disc: SA-CD, CD, CD-R/RW(CD-DA/MP3/WMA, AAC), USB-A: MP3/WMA/WAV/AAC/iPod/iPhone/iPad, USB-B: PCM up to 192kHz/24bit, DSD 2.8 & 5.6 Mhz

    I would not be using USB A. But would want to play HR FLAC, DSD etc through the USB - B. The are really not very clear or perhaps I am just not knowledgeable enough to figure it out.

    Why would you not get into it? For me, it would make it an easier decision if I could upgrade my DAC at the same time. It just happens that a lot of my favorite recordings of old Jazz and a few classic rock LPs are available in SACD. From Burrell Midnight Blue to Lou Donaldson Sunny Side Up to LA Woman... I would like to hear them in another format...
     

     

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  7. KrisM

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    The playback tech stuff with DSD is not something I'm not up on enough. I play SACDs, but I don't have any DSD playback gear right now. Any SACD iso files I have are burned to a DVD-R for playback.
    I'd 100% make sure that what you're looking into buying works for your needs. Keep Oppo in mind, too.

    Why not get into now? Mostly a budget thing. I got into SACD not too long after it came out. No regrets, and I love the I titles have, but I'm not sure if I would go there right now.
    The Analogue Productions SACD titles are really nice. I spin the copies of Donaldson's Here "Tis and The Time Is Right a lot. Great stuff.
     
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  8. botrytis

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    2.8 and 5.6 are 1X and 2X DSD.
     
  9. sgleich

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    Sorry for my complete ignorance... do those numbers have anything to do with rates as in 24/192 ?
     
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    Yes - they are sampling rates - 2.8MHz and 5.6MHz.
     
  11. Wildcat

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    Yep, that's my take on it also--using USB or an Ethernet (network) connection to play the audio files.

    I use my player for the same reason. In fact, I've gotten to where I don't even use the disc reader in the player, except to rip an SACD to an ISO file, then play the extracted DSF files from a server via the network (which avoids USB completely). I'll eventually be moving to a network player/streamer and DAC setup within the next couple of years but for now, this does fine.
     
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    So this player would rip, through the USB back to the hard drive? That would be cool as I could just play files at work system etc. Sorry for lack of digital awareness!
     
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    I have an Oppo, not a Marantz...only certain Oppo models and a couple of rare Pioneer players have the same chipset to rip from SACDs, and it can only be done via a network connection (at least on the Oppo).

    Sorry about the confusion. We were talking about playing files from a USB source (a drive or a computer, I guess?) or a network, using the player as a streamer/DAC as opposed to (or in addition to) playing a disc in the machine. Some disc players have that capability, and Marantz also has "network players" which have no disc capabilities in them.

    No worries on the digital awareness--I agree a lot of this is confusing! No harm in asking. You have the benefit of the rest of us here having made plenty of mistakes to learn from. :)
     
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    I could be missing something, but the SA8005 product overview and operating manual are fairly explicit. From the product overview on Marantz's website, http://us.marantz.com/us/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=hificomponents&ProductId=SA8005:

    DAC Flexibility

    You can use the SA8005 as a stand-alone digital-to-analog converter, thanks to the inclusion of both coaxial and optical digital audio inputs. You can also connect your favorite portable audio device, via the convenient front panel USB port, and the SA8005 is compatible with the iPod, iPod touch and iPhone. The rear panel asynchronous high speed USB-B port lets you connect your home PC to the SA8005, so you can enjoy superb sound quality from your favorite PCM and DSD high resolution tracks stored on your computer. The USB-B port also features our unique ground isolator circuit design that prevents PC-originated ground plane noise transfer.​

    Page 45 of the SA8005 manual:

    You can enjoy high-quality playback from the D/A/converter built in to this unit by inputting PCM signal or DSD signal music files into this unit from a computer via USB connection.
    It then goes on with several pages of instructions for installing the dedicated driver.

    Page 50 of the manual under Playback:

    The input audio signal is displayed as shown.
    "USB : xxxxk" or "USB : DSD xxxM"​

    (Emphasis above, is mine.)

    I don't have my player connected to a computer, so I can't attest to how this works. (Is it conceivable that Marantz is fibbing?)

    Interestingly, SMSL's M8 holds itself out as a DSD DAC (I think you have or had one of these). However, I don't see an HDMI input, only coax, optical and USB.

    Again, I could be missing something.
     
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    USB 2.0 from a PC will support DSD :D
     
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    Thank you for all of your knowledge. I am sure others in the future will find all of this helpful.

    @PAGS Any complaints or has the SA8005 worked well? Sounds good? Clear, analytical, warm or otherwise?
     

     

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  17. PAGS

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    That's tough because I'm no expert when it comes to describing how equipment sounds. But here goes, overall I'd say well-balance and clear. Marantz reputedly leans in the direction of warm. It doesn't sound overly warm to me, and I'm using a tube amp. Neither does it sound sterile or clinical.

    As an aside, Marantz has good customer service and one of the better warranties - 3 years. And I just noticed that Music Direct.is selling these units for $899. That's a steal!
     
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    Yes, I know. I feel like a fool trying to explain what I hear! I guess I just stole one. These are new in the box units, not demos... full warrantee for $899.00 I guess I will be reporting back and trying to explain what I hear. I will also check on it's use as a DAC. Hopefully it pushes the Modi to my work system.
     
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    If you like what you hear, who cares if you are a fool :D
     
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    Sweet. Hope you like it.
     
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