Show Off Your EBR!

Discussion in 'Sports & Outdoor Adventure' started by Yamaki, Jan 30, 2017.

  1. Yamaki

    Yamaki Not For Hire Subscriber

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    There's no "spray and pray" going on here and that sort of generalization tends to further spread the misconception of what an AR really is.

    Sure, a 24" tube on a .308 bolt action will be more accurate, generally, than an 18" barreled .308 in an AR. However, that is a function of tube length, not an inherent defect or failing of the AR platform. And you can build an AR platform that is equal to a bolt action rifle in accuracy easily enough.
     
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  2. BrocLuno

    BrocLuno Lunatic Member

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    Well, yes and no. There are a ton of restrictions, but ... They left the door open for rim-fire to be exempt. And CA DOJ really does not like Poly lowers, so I decided to play :)

    I'm building a 22WMR full featured AR with all the stuff they don't want and a poly lower just because :D

    Lot of options discussed in this thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1293510

    There is also the Franklin Armory fixed mag solution. When used with a Mean Arms speed-loader, it's pretty quick. Not a mag drop quick, but still fairly effective. And, you get to keep all your "features" because it is no longer a removable magazine rifle by CA Regs.

    Of course it's not glued or welded in, so it is removable when out of state. So I think I'll build a 556 one like that too :D

    Pics when I get done building it :)

    And, if you'all want to see what some Cali builders are up to, here's a BIG picture thread with lots of EBR's :D

    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=232935&highlight=evil+features
     
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  3. whoaru99

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    Generally speaking, my experience is that beyond a relatively easy to attain hardware aspect, practical accuracy is more a factor of the rifleman than the rifle.
     
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  4. finnbow

    finnbow The Dude Abides

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    Agreed. Just funnin' a bit. OTOH, after decades of shooting and hunting, I got to the point where I only go afield for deer with a bow or muzzleloader any more, leaving modern firearms in the cabinet. I guess I'm regressing in my old age.:biggrin:
     
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  6. Cactus Bob

    Cactus Bob Desert Rat Subscriber

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    Remington 870 Express; Ruger Mini 14 .223 (EBR in disguise); Sig P220; Uberti1873 .357 Single-Action Cattleman Revolver

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  7. Ross6860

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    Well, to a point. For most practical applications I would say I agree, but ultimate accuracy at long range is still a single-shot bolt action.

    I have a couple Rock River ARs that are pretty darn accurate. A National Match AR-15 and their LAR-8. I do not handload and the NM is a sub MOA rifle at 200 yards with factory ammo. I have not shot the LAR-8 enough yet to know, but it's close.

    When you get to 800+ yards and need to stay supersonic to the target a 20", or even 24" barrel isn't going to do it. Now if someone made a .338 Lapua or .416 Barrett, or .50 BMG AR that may be a different story.

    The F-Class guys I know are running 30" +/- barrel .308 Win. Of course, custom, hand loaded ammunition. 5" X-ring and 10" 10-ring at 1000 yards.

    Again, agreed, to a point. Are we talking about bragging rights at the deer camp, or on a firing line at a regional or national match?

    That "relatively easy to attain hardware" will run you on the order of $5000 and up for a rifle (no scope, no rest). Guys are paying more for their rest than most folks spend on a rifle and scope.

    Guys are so good that regardless of skill, you will not consistently "win" a match against the top-flight competitors with a $2000 rifle.

    I do not compete at these levels, but I shoot with guys that do.
     
  8. Tom Brennan

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    Some years ago I did a lot of shooting with an SMLE made during the Great War and a Springfield 03-A3. I was pretty good shooting with iron sights and it became apparent that to improve I'd have to invest both more time and more money. So I stopped shooting.

    Now I'm shooting again, with my wife. We shoot a couple of Ruger 10-22s with red dot sights, our aging eyes can't focus iron sights. Lots of fun.

    As for black rifles, I recognize their utility but they're not to my taste. If I wanted to shoot a centerfire self loader I'd probably favor a Mini-14 or an SKS.
     
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  9. Jeffery

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    It's hard to beat a 10-22 for fun per $.
     
  10. Yamaki

    Yamaki Not For Hire Subscriber

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    So are the S&W MP 15-22 rifles. Despite some complaints by other owners both of mine seem to use all brands of .22LR with no issues.
     
  11. Ross6860

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    Probably the best training rifle for the AR platform since all the controls are in the right place. Pretty darn accurate for what they are, too.
     
  12. Yamaki

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    I would agree. It's very much like the AR platform with respects to controls.
     

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