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Sjöfn HiFi - The Clue Speakers

Discussion in 'New Gear - Values' started by SPL db, Dec 18, 2014.

  1. SPL db

    SPL db It's all about the music! Subscriber

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    I've been looking at quite a few reviews on The Clue speakers from Sjöfn HiFi.

    I like to hear from someone who has heard a pair of these.

    They claim 28 hz to 42 khz and apparently a lot of the reviews agree.

    These speakers sure have my attention currently... :scratch2:

    Sjöfn HiFi - The Clue
     
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  2. botrytis

    botrytis Trying not to be a Small Speaker Hoarder Subscriber

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    I think they are a little overzealous with the stated frequency response range. I would think it would be more like 45 Hz (based on my experience with small monitor speakers). Which is still decent. I would still like to hear a pair.

    The problem with getting a small speaker to output low bass like that is either efficiency or linearity suffers.

    In Room -3 dB Frequency Limits: Low frequency: 28 Hz to 33 Hz* High Frequency: 42,000 Hz (* Room dependent)
    Matched to (the clue) Reference Standard: +/- ½ dB

    Also notice placement of speaker close to wall. The problem with that is you end up with low frequency extension but very tubby bass. Based on that review you put up, they are too finicky and placement dependent....


    They are 1500 USD a pair - so there many speakers at that price point they have to compete with. KEF LS50, Sonus Faber Venere 1.5, Fritz Carbon 7's, etc. I would prefer to hear a speaker before I buy.....

    http://www.theabsolutesound.com/buyers_guides/17/
     
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  3. JohnMichael

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    There is an interesting review in the January issue of Stereophile.
     
  4. SPL db

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    That's where they showed up on my radar. ;)

    If they're ordered from the manufactures website, they can be had for $1K with free shipping. :scratch2:
     
  5. Art K.

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    That review wasn't exactly positive. There wasn't much about how it was described that had me interested.
     
  6. botrytis

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    Re-read the placement needs - can you place them exactly that way in your listening room? Think about that....
     

     

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  7. SPL db

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    Haven't had a chance to read it in full just yet (I get the digital on-line version)
     
  8. SPL db

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    I read that, I could make things work, but requires more homework to see if they're really worth the effort for me.
     
  9. Naptown Rob

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    What do the Stereophile review specs say?
     
  10. stevantr

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    What's with all the ultrasonics? Maybe when I was a kid I could be into the charming ringing of high frequencies, but now? I top out around 15K and I'm not old. Why spend the money and energy for producing "sound" that a human can't hear.
     
  11. prighello

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    Looks like someone's DIY project gone commercial. Cabs look a lot like the ones sold by Parts Express.
     

     

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  12. botrytis

    botrytis Trying not to be a Small Speaker Hoarder Subscriber

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    I was thinking that....
     
  13. prighello

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    After scanning Google images I am convinced they use the same cabinets I have in my office at the moment. Anyway, they are clearly using the back wall to boost bass response; a SS Discovery starts rolling off over 100hz and the cab isn't very large. I don't want to knock them without hearing them but that placement concerns me.
     
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  14. SPL db

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    I thought the same thing and then I found this that seems to confirm it...

    Parts Express

    A big "clue" was when I read that there were no serial numbers or name plates on the speakers anywhere.
     
  15. prighello

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    Yep...just because they are sort of DIY doesn't mean they are bad BTW. Honesty, if you want a badass DIY design head over to the DIY Sound Group website and order up a pair of the new bamboo and corian Continuums. It's basically a cut rate LS3/5a. :banana:

    http://www.diysoundgroup.com/alpha-kits/continuum.html
     
  16. JamesCroft

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    Hello Everyone,

    I developed the clue loudspeaker for Sjöfn HiFi and thought I would jump in to clarify a few things and answer any questions you might have.

    First, if you read the review, I would encourage you to also read our manufactures comment on the review, on page 157. Obviously, the review was not very positive, but it appears that the reason has more to do with misunderstandings on how to set up the speakers and how to measure them, as they involve a different use-model than what the reviewers were familiar with. Multiple Stereophile reviewers had heard them at the audio shows (set up in very poor listening rooms) and gave glowing reports. So, we were disappointed that they weren't curious enough to call us when they didn't get the same performance in their listening room that they had heard from the clue numerous times before. We offer user support to all of our customers (and reviewers) to support them reaching the full potential of the clue in their listening room.

    I can explain further if there is an interest.

    In terms of addressing some of the comments on this thread;

    First; in terms of stevantr's comment, I agree that for most listeners over the age of 5 years old there may not be much need for extension out to beyond 20kHz, the reason we have a system with such extended response is actually to achieve a much more important capability, and that is to maintain constant (and wide) dispersion / power response above 10kHz instead of having the off-axis response collapse as it does in many loudspeakers. To best achieve that attribute, it was easiest to accomplish with a small diameter ring-dome that just happens to extend beyond audibility.

    Secondly, to address prighello's comments, the woofer is sourced from Scan Speak, but is not from their Discovery line. Only the frame is lifted from the Discovery series, while all the other components are unique to the clue woofer. It is a custom unit we designed with Scan Speak engineers to meet a special set of criteria required for the clue, relative to both low frequency response and midrange transition to the tweeter.
    Additionally, to address the bass comment, the system is tuned to 35Hz and when properly coupled to the room boundaries, maintains reference level down to at least 35Hz, and lower in many rooms, which, as most of you know, is quite rare in a 11-liter enclosure.

    Lastly, there were some questions as to the enclosure we are using. It is a Dayton enclosure from Parts Express that we modify to meet our requirements. It allowed us to meet our performance requirements while keeping costs down as we started the initial production. As we are getting to higher unit volumes we plan to duplicate our customized version of the current enclosure but change the sourcing to a higher volume supplier. In all aspects of the clue development, we spent money where it made a sonic difference and saved money where it was merely window dressing, to create the best possible value for serious listeners.

    I hope that clears up a few of the issues raised.

    If anyone has any additional questions, I would be glad to provide any answers I can.

    All the best,

    - Jim Croft

    Croft Acoustical -- Sjöfn HiFi
     
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  17. TimF

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    Jim, thanks for your input here. I would also like to add that the speakers are $999/pair, just a little bit lower than the $1500/pair someone mentioned above.

    Like most forums, I find it quite interesting, and also sad too, that many folks are pretty quick to bomb a speaker or piece of gear based on a review only. But what is even more sad is that reviewers also do no favors to manufacturers by not asking questions or worse yet, moving along using the test gear in question incorrectly etc. and then leaving it at that.

    I have no dog in the fight but I find some of this pretty typical. Oh yeah, I have heard the Clue along with another speaker that is very similar, and they both do some things very well indeed. Give them a listen, you might be surprised.....or not. Tim
     
  18. Art K.

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    For me it's not the review conclusions that were bothersome it is both the reviewer and manufacturer (as well as other reviews and reports) stating the far too demanding placement requirements of this speaker. If you have the right dedicated space that may be alright but I don't have a single listening space where the placement demands of this speaker would work. I'm sure when everything is ideal the speaker sounds great. However I need a speaker that is more versatile than that.
     
  19. TimF

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    Art, I certainly understand what you are saying here, obviously if you can't get the setup right in your own room, why would you even try. I see quite a few installations on here-pics of folks speakers and how they are setup, and while nothing is set in stone or an absolute, quite a few are so far from the way the designer intended, and then later on you read about some of these people not being happy with how things sound.

    Also, I am not so sure this speaker is really any more demanding as far as placement than some other speakers folks rave about, it is just different. But the devil is in the details and if one isn't willing to go a certain distance than obviously it isn't right for their space. At least they are upfront about those requirements.

    Anyway, always nice to hear from the designers of some of the gear we discuss on here.

    Really I should not have said anything to begin with, I guess it just kind of hit me odd, and not really referring to anyones post in particular here.
     
  20. Art K.

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    I know you were not rabble-rousing, so to speak. I just wanted to be clear about what it is that turned me off to the speaker. If you read carefully they are far more demanding of placement than any speaker I own...at least per their instructions in their manuals. Same reason I have not tried the Guru speakers and they have received nearly universal praise...and I think they are a bit less demanding, though I will have to double check to be sure.
     

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