So.... are DIN connectors REALLY that bad?

Discussion in 'Tape' started by Numone, Nov 10, 2018.

  1. Numone

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    Simple question.. discuss!! :)
     

     

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  2. MRL_Audio

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    Simple answer..NO! ;)
     
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  3. RhythmGJ

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    Hard to find on consumer gear nowadays. What prompted the question?

    GJ
     
  4. steerpike2

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    The 3 pin to 8 pin types for line level are very acceptable, if from a good manufacturer. Two pin for loudspeakers not really adequately rated for the current delivery needed for more than about 20W.
     
  5. Numone

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    Well, that's good news!
    I asked as I recalled in the '70's that DIN leads were derided by HiFi "buffs" and that phono were the only way to go. But given they were used on so many TOTL units, they couldn't be that bad, so I was wondering was others thought. Our TEAC A-3300, A-7030GSL and AS200S amp all have DIN sockets fitted and I also have many leads that came with the 7030 too, so it'll be worth a try I guess - it'll certainly be a lot less messy!
    Does anyone else use them?
     
  6. Blue Shadow

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    Different parts of the world. DIN was a € thing and the RCAs were used in the US. There are differences in the level associated with the input/output but they are as good I guess and a lot easier than the 4 RCAs needed for a tape deck.
     
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  7. Numone

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    Interesting. Does the input/output differ in lower or greater signal? Also forgot that our A-450 has a DIN socket too.
     
  8. steerpike2

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    DIN signal levels are much lower, and the load impedance is much higher. As such, cheap & poorly made cable can be noisier than an equivalently 'nasty' RCA (=CINCH) grade cable.
     
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    In fact in the last two weeks I've had my phono stage in for service only to find out that only problem was with the xlr cables that I had been using! Switched back to the regular phono cables and all is well! I don't think that I'll try that experiment again!
     
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  10. JamVal

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    I have a Tandberg TR-2040 that only accepts 5-pin DIN for Phono and Tape in-out.
    I've been considering the 5-pin DIN to RCA adapters, but was concerned about the statement that "DIN signal levels are much lower, and the load impedance is much higher."
    DIN line input sensitivity on the TR-2040 is 190mV; seems to be in line with RCA line level input sensitivity; for example my Pioneer SX-838 is 150mV.
    Some Tandberg receivers have both RCA and DIN inputs, and don't seem to differentiate in 'Line' input sensitivity for RCA vs. DIN

    So for a Line level input to the TR-2040, should I be concerned about using a RCA to DIN adapter?
     
  11. gslikker

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    As the tape inputs of this receiver are not routed to a preamp that could be overdriven but to the volume control, there is nothing to worry about.
     
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