Sometimes I wonder why

Discussion in 'Dollars and Sense' started by Snow, Jan 12, 2018.

  1. Snow

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    Sometimes I wonder why some people flat out lie to you in an attempt to sell you something. It makes no sense because you are going to see what it is before you buy so why lie it only wastes both yours and their time and gas doing so.

    I have had people tell me that something was in mint condition only to discover it looked like it had been sitting outside in the rain snow and sun for 30 years or more. I had one fellow tell me he had some vintage gear that he had just pulled out of his rack when I looked at it the cords had been cut on everything so not possible. I had one fellow attempt to sell me a older tube console perhaps a Saba or Telefunken he swore he had just got through listening to it 30 minutes ago, I looked in back and not a single tube in it :D


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  2. Robisme

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    I drove about 30 minutes to look at a receiver I wanted that was described as mint. I spoke to the woman and stressed that I only want it if it's in perfect condition. She said it is.

    I get there, go inside and and the first thing I notice is it's filthy. Ok, I can clean it. Then I see a couple buttons broken off, one side piece of the faceplate missing, the AM antenna missing, and it was in overall poor condition. I said no thank you and started to walk out. She was not happy with me and let me know it.

    They probably figure that once you come by you will just buy it.

    Rob
     
  3. motorstereo

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    Same here; my very last craigslist deal several months ago a guy tries to sell me his Fortes and Klipsch Chorus II's and all 4 had blown tweeters. I told him on the phone I wanted to verify all the drivers worked before I bought them or I won't be coming over. He assures me they work fine on the phone then he gets pissy with me when I point out he's lied to me during the audition. I've deleted craigslist from my favorites bar and haven't hunted it since then. Surprisingly I don't miss it and wish I'd done this years ago. Bullshit like that isn't worth the occasional deal to me anymore.
     
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  4. Snow

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    I find that also, where they get upset when you tell them no even though the only reason is that it was not as described and clearly their fault this morning I had a fellow call me that he had a nice clean working SA-7800 the one with the fluroscan meters he says it works fine and looks good, well when I look at it not only is it missing the wood trim but the original top metal case and someone had cut some sheet metal and attempted to make that work as a cover so the cosmetics were shot there is no way I could resell at any price, perhaps part it out but I have boxes of parts now I have never listed so no need for another pile.

    He was very upset and said he was doing me a favor by offering it to me go figure.


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  5. motorstereo

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    ^^^^^Haha your seller must be related to mine. My wanna be Klipsch seller acted like he was doing me a big favor and tells me how cheap Klipsch tweeters are and how easy they are to replace:crazy:.
     
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  6. soundmotor

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    Perhaps you misheard? Maybe he said it was mint for something sitting outside in the rain snow and sun for 30 years or more.

    :cool:

    I've definitely had similar lines tossed at me and been told "It looks excellent considering how old it is." Considering is always the disclaimer. You can put anything after it such as it was used as a mouse toilet, it came off the Titanic, etc. Managing expectations is key for those sellers and gives them wiggle room when you say "No, that's a piece of crap!"
     
  7. soundmotor

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    Been there. Her retort back to you could have been "I think it looks fine." or my favorite "Oh, you're one of those picky people."
     
  8. soundmotor

    soundmotor super modified Subscriber

    :thumbsup:

    It's not completely gone but a definite pain so seldom used.
     
  9. nolasally

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    I actually use this sort of thing a a bargaining chip. Klipsch with dead tweeters no problem. Diaphragms can be had cheaply. I don’t drive 3 hrs looking for that screaming deal anymore. So if Someone stated item works well or is mint and I get there and it’s not I either walk or get item for Steep discount.

    Snow with all the gold you have struck you have to deal with turds once in a while. Part of a flippers life.
     
  10. FB night

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    Oh yah, because people in need of money like to make plans for when they gets da money. You just ruined their day. I also, have learned over the years, to ask a lot of questions, and I tell them I need many pictures of item b4 I make a long drive. And then I call them when I am on my way to their address, to let them know that I WILL be there in x amount of time, on their doorstep expecting to make an exchange. Often I tell them to remove the ad also, which does work most of the time.
     
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  11. OMGCat!

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    I really think most people don't look nearly as far into this stuff and the small scratches and the damage doesn't seem out of the ordinary.
    If your car is full of small dings and the paint is dull then that is your normal. If your gear has is covered in dust, some scuffs, fingerprints, a few scratches on the face then that's normal.
    Between working as an auto tech at a high end dealer and buying hi-fi gear I pick apart just about everything automatically and honestly am pretty harsh about it. Perfect to me means perfect, like new, like it came from the factory.
    Most times I point out defects and the person honestly didn't even register it in their mind. I've done this with cars, bikes, motorcycles, and gear where the blank look followed by recognition of what I'm pointing out seems pretty much universal. I've made people who just bought $100k+ cars really upset when a quick walk around showed a lot of poorly done recon work and again, none of that even entered their perception even though they were looking for it.

    Obviously the people who straight up lie are just jerks. It's lazy and dishonest to say you just pulled something out of your rack when it's missing the line cords or all of the tubes. They deserve a good punch in the eye though it's obviously not worth the trouble.
     
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  12. Snow

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    To a point I believe you are correct a lot of people seem to think a tube that is dirty used missing most of the print and untested should have the same value as a perfect NIB tube and are a bit shocked when I tell them that tubes wear out and that there box of old used loose dirty covered in cobwebs and leaves tubes are not worth as much as new ones and in fact may have no value at all if they are not audio type tubes. They are also surprised when I ask them the model of an amp receiver etc to them it should not make any difference it makes sound why should it matter. I had a fellow call me 2-3 days ago he said he had a Pioneer receiver that looked like the one in the pictures in my WTB ad I said great do you know what model it is? he replied no and seemed to be confused as to why I would even ask. The reason is there is a big difference in value between an SX-450 and a SX-1980 much like in the difference between a Bentley and a Ford escort sure they both are cars but one has more value then the other.

    I have low expectations when I go to look at things and a few scratches dust is normal but items that clearly don't work with cords cut off broken glass in the face plate missing half the knobs etc should not be considered mint condition by anyone's standards :D I bought a Sansui G-7700 the other day the fellow told me it looked good and it worked fine, when I got there I instantly noticed it was missing the volume knob so I pointed out it was missing his reply was well it still works just get a pair of pliers. I have a non working Sansui G-8700 in storage and will rob the knob from it so no big thing.


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  13. hugo454

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    you are over rating humanity
     
  14. bberkom

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    I'm surprised how nice and easy most of the folks I meet with on Craigslist are. I always try to talk to them on the phone first which helps weed out the most extreme crazies. I agree it is annoying when you spend time to go look at something and it obviously isn't as described, but I just don't take it personally. Kinda part of the deal and still a good reason to get out of the house.
     
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  15. Snow

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    For me it varies greatly sometimes an item/s will be in near perfect condition and the seller friendly and helpful I remember one deal a fellow said he had some gear for sale so went to look at it everything was in absolute mint condition like he had just pulled it out of the box 14 total items he had the original boxes for it all with packing all the paperwork etc he said he wanted $700.00 for it all I told him it was worth far more and he said I don't care so I gave him the money loaded it up and left. other times not so much but it is part of the cost of doing business and I don't get upset over it but at times I wonder why they say things that are obviously not true.


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  16. FB night

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    "Just get a pair of pliers", very funny. Sounds like something my old manager from Oklahoma might say, when I worked on construction equipment. He would start out by saying,"why couldnt a fella just", so in this situation he might say," why couldnt a fella just weld a pair of pliers to the knob?" He was big believer that ANYTHING broken could be welded.
     
  17. savatage1973

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    Not long ago, I went to go pick up a pair of Mach I's from a CL seller (no, I am not a Mach I fan, but my cousin is and lost his in a house fire a few years back). Great photos, contacted by e-mail and spoke with the seller on the phone. Arranged a meeting with a mutually agreed upon price. The seller was apparently a far better photographer than salesman--the speakers looked a LOT better in the photos than they did in person--and the photos were real, because the background was correct. The speakers were parked on the bare garage floor, with no towel or cardboard under them, and no means to audition them in any way to verify that all drivers worked. When I asked about hooking them up to something/anything, he got really pissy with me (as if I was calling him a liar and scumbag--which he was). I didn't even try to negotiate or even speak to him after that--just got in my truck and left.
     
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  18. superdog

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    Sounds like my brother in law.His idea of a tool box is a roll of duct tape.
    I think some sellers are just not audio people.They just came across this and find out it can be worth some money.Then there are the obvious exaggeraters.Get em to come look and they might buy.I've had a couple of people complain something I had wasn't in better (like perfect)condition.I tell them I described it as it is.I never said it was perfect.
     
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  19. tyella

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    I've had far more good experiences on Craigslist than bad. However, there have been a couple of lying turds. I hate turds.
     
  20. c.coyle

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    Me too. I always expect the worst, but it rarely happens.
     
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