Sound of vintage Sansui vs. Marantz vs. Pioneer

Discussion in 'Exclusively Sansui' started by crouse, Dec 31, 2012.

  1. bd1886

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    Later classic stereo history is what I'm mostly familiar with in learning and enjoying because of my beginning interests happening with whole 100 watt plus era. (Would have more of a growing interest in earlier but not much "easily out there" in comparison, and too busy with what I have now!) Thanks for adding your perspective.
     
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    My ears are in dead on agreement with only two slight additions to describe those observations for my ear (and one observation concerning a good historical speaker pairing).
    Marantz 60w plus receivers start the big graduation up into a more refined and "sparkly" high end (and mids/base adjust tighter slightly to that.)
    Sansui "same era" G-6000 and higher carry a real cool and clean separation that's still smooth and the highs have this slightly safe/but detailed something that allows for warmth in the whole....and it's still an aggressive forward take that is easily appreciated.

    Speaks. The way you described Pioneer is exacting. A funny thing is that you can describe the whole JBL L100/HPM "thing" the same. (Getting ears on this intended pairing is a treat with strings and vocals being forward.....some tastes prefer less aggressive mids and a less intrusive bass that crosses over lower.) Me? I get the intent and appreciate it fully.....lower level volume and loudness on can do cool stuff with classic string work especially. Appreciate your post!
     
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    This responses here have been awesome.:thumbsup: I am currently debating on the right way to go with a receiver. It would be awesome to be able to go into a shop and a/b/c compare and then buy the Sansui-Marantz-Pioneer I liked the most. I'm curious if anyone has any experience with the Sansui QR-6500 vs the Marantz 2220B. I like the "warmth" (mid range) of the Marantz 2220B. I like that nice "tube like" sound. Does the Sansui compare to the Marantz in the Mid range sound wise?
     
  4. danrclem

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    I can't compare the Marantz/Sansui because I've never heard a Marantz. I have an 8080db but I don't think I'd call it tube like or at least not like any tube amp that I've heard. It's very detailed and the base is punchy. I like it better than the Pioneers that I've heard with maybe the exception of one. I have an SX-1980 that smoked right after I got it and even though the few minutes of playing time sounded great I can't really say if it was better or worse than the Sansui. The jury is still out on that one. I've got a 9090db that I haven't heard but have parts on order for but from what I've heard it's very similar to the 8080db.
     
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    After the smoked cleared four years later newer Yamaha is what pushed the Sansui and almost every 70s receivers out.To me just a cleaner sound at high volume seems to extract the most of my vintage speakers.
     
  6. taineasy

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    Having been involved with hi-fi for over 50 years the choice of best is a personal one. As with speakers and headphones everyone hears differently or finds a certain sound more pleasing than others. Some receivers/amps sound great in short bursts but get fatiguing when listening for a few hours or more. Also some prefer the more detailed "on stage" sound and some prefer the more open "10th row" sound. Just to throw in my two cents I prefer the Heathkit AR1500a in the SS category over most of the classic 70's amps I have owned (60w rms @8ohms, 110w @4 ohms) These amps MUST have the two original main power filter caps changed out as the originals (6000 uf) were the big flaw in the unit. The original caps were sub-grade quality, under value (55w) and dried out drifted within a couple of years of steady use. Need to install high quality 6200-6500 uf at least 100w max. I have found that Sprague powerlytic work well and change the tone of the entire unit. Its a peach!
     
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    55w original caps? 100w 6200-6500uF caps? Don't you mean 55 Volts and 100 Volts not Watts?
     
  8. rcs16

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    One thing to mention, is that most designs from the same mfg can be varied in that they can have different designers involved. These designers have different ideas or circuit topologies that they prefer to use. The end result is a audio reproduction device but designs are not universal so they can deviate. In some case by a lot, in other cases minimally.
    If you look at the designs you can see these differences. I will use one example, a Pioneer SX-1050 vs a SX-1250. Much is common in these designs, but the power amp section differ in design a bit, the 1050 for example uses a diamond pre-driver. How much that particular design difference makes in the sound signature is debatable however.
    There are lots of design techniques, choices of components ,build qualities that can have incremental or more noticeable changes in performance and sound quality.
     
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  9. bd1886

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    This is my take too and can only add that with the higher end Marantz....."the warm" becomes slightly less and all the range gets more fast and defined.
    After lots of comparing? Most of the main names have there own strengths and even though their take is different? It's obvious when your listening to either top of the line from them (or a perfect "trade off" within their lesser featured models).

    My personal "truth"? I could be as equally happy with any of those three families of sound and once it gets into the more obvious "quality of sound"....it boils down to things "other than sound" for the keeping or selling. My only two partial regrets are selling an SX-1050 and Marantz 2385, but it's not long lived because you can't own it all anyways....and beautiful sound abounds in it all (.....and split your own hairs as you will).
     
  10. ManyMoonsAudio

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    Sansui- faster, less confused, typically neutral sounding, dimensional.
    Pioneer- slower, excellent bass, nice top end, lack dimension, slightly dry mids, but puts the artists in the room pretty good..
    Marantz- nice midrange, but lack transparency in most cases to my ears. Not really impressive, but that could be its strength.

    This is painting with a broad brush, as there are standout pieces from all of these manufacturers.
     
  11. bd1886

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    Couldn't agree more.
     
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    Man... that's the most accurate description that I've read ever
     

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