Spotify from ipad into hi-fi?

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  1. uofmtiger

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    If you go with Roon, I would just stick with Airplay for everything. The Roon Airplay features are first rate and probably the best on the market, other than maybe Airfoil. For the NAS route, many of them use their own software. Synology, for example, has Airplay built into most of their NAS if you use their DS Audio app. Of course, apps like Filebrowser can simply access hard drives plugged into your router and you can Airplay from the app using an iPhone or iPad.

    The main downside to Airplay is it plays everything at 16/44.1 resolution no matter what it is fed. It is bit perfect with that bit rate, though.
     
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  2. KevinCorr

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    I just hooked the Airport express to the Integrated amp without the Vault2 and it plays fine. An old one I had did not sound good so I thought it should have a dac. I do suspect after a very brief trial that the Vault is somewhat better sound but that is just a quick reaction. I tried to use the Dragonfly Red USB DAC from the Airport Express into the amp, but nothing. Is that USB port not an outlet for sound?
     
  3. E.Auer

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    No, the USB port on the Airport is for Printers, external drives and such.

    Eric
     
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    So to add a DAC between the AE and the amp you use the Ethernet slot as you do for the Bluesound Vault? Or are you limited to the single little headphone cable as I am now using direct w/o external DAC?

    Thanks for the education.
     
  5. E.Auer

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    Mini toslink from the Audio Jack of the AE, as it should double as optical out. I assume the Vault has a optical input so that should work, just check what kind of input that is.

    Eric
     
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    Thanks Eric. I mean with no Vault to simply use the Airport Express to an amp, I guess one is limited to the headphone audio jack out? "
     
  7. E.Auer

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    Yes. But the AE has a very decent DAC so should sound fine.

    You can always get another DAC later if you feel like trying different things, or a Optical to USB converter for the AE to Dragonfly connection.
    That said I know nothing about Optical to USB converters, and cant say if that introduces any other Issues or not as far as SQ goes.

    Eric
     
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  8. KevinCorr

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    Thanks again. It took me years to get this far but the boost was traveling away from my music collection. The best part for me is to hear new albums without the gamble of buying them first. It is like back in the day when you could go into a used album store and test out a bunch of music to buy. I could never get enthused about cable tv music stations sound.
     
  9. E.Auer

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    Kevin, I would not want to be without streaming music either.

    These are great times for Music lovers.

    Eric
     
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    I have subscribed to music magazines to keep up, as you see from my signature. It is still a good source of inspiration for streaming. :)
     
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  12. Rockyhill

    Rockyhill I've got a hanging filament.

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    There are many of us who use AirportExpress successfully. Mine is connected via Ethernet cable to my D-Link router (bridge mode IIRC). I can't speak to Roon specifically but other streaming sources work fine. I'm sure others use Extreme without issue as well. With that said the router is key in all of this.
     
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    I agree, the DAC inside the AE is excellent. I have done a blind comparison against other DACs costing up to $1,000 and the AE is warmer and fuller across the board. I would be very surprised if a Dragonfly between the AE and your amp would make it sound any better. I can't say for sure as the Dragonfly was not part of the comparison.

    I would avoid any kind of converter, but that's just me.
     
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    Kevin, just so you're clear: Since you have a Bluesound Vault in your main system, the only reason to have the AE in there at all would be so you don't have to use the BlueOS app, if you really don't like it. But that's actually a pretty extreme option because you're adding complexity to your system and the beauty of the Bluesound products is that they're so simple. Plus, as uofmtiger mentioned, you lose any high-res capability, including MQA, which is one of the great features of the Bluesound products. I don't think BlueOS is that bad. They've actually made some nice updates to it that don't show up in the What Hi-Fi review.

    So I guess if it were me, I would simply run the Vault in your main system, hardwired with ethernet from your Airport Extreme and then analog out to your amp. No DAC needed, it has a great one onboard. Bite the bullet and learn to love the BlueOS app, warts and all. :)

    Then in the secondary system, run an Airport Express hooked up wirelessly to your Airport Extreme, running analog out to your amp. Again, no DAC needed. In this system you can run the native apps using Airplay to stream to your amp.

    This is what I do. No 3rd party apps to buy and no inferior DACs. Others may disagree, but it works for me.
     
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  15. KevinCorr

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    Thanks Rex and Rocky, and all. So I am probably overthinking it as a rookie streamer. It does work and sound good with just the AE which was a surprise. I did as suggested and moved the Bluesound Vault 2 to my music room (aka "guest room"). Now in busy living room kitchen where my wife watches movies etc I use just AE streaming without Bluesound.

    I dug out the Cobblestone Muso which wouldn't connect to my network after having worked already. It woke up. It works fine now but it also has it's own app which is not anywhere near as good as the Blue app so I will go back to the AE simply with Tidal. The Cobblestone may sound as good or better as the AE but that app. Makes no sense when the AE works.

    I agree that the Bluesound app is not so bad. I am enjoying the Vault so much that when I moved it to the music room, I ordered a Node 2 for the living room just so it can access my Vault's big collection of stored cds.

    Also thanks to CKDC and others who helped further back on this venture.
     
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