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The "$250" Amp? - 6LU8 Compactron SE, UL

Discussion in 'DIY' started by Wigwam Jones, May 10, 2008.

  1. GOYA

    GOYA Super Member

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    Yes, you can. No change is needed to use those.
     
  2. GOYA

    GOYA Super Member

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    Since I finally got an oscilloscope, I wanted to do some testing on this amp.

    Square wave at 1kHz and 1V:

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    I increased input voltage on a sine wave until I saw clipping.
    Clipping occurred at just above 2.1 Vrms.
    At 2.1 Vrms the output was measured at 8.3 Vrms into an 8Ω load.
    RMS power calculates to 8.6 watts.
    I have no idea what the distortion was at that output but I have no doubt it was very high.
     
  3. Kegger

    Kegger Anything can be S "MODed" Super Mod Subscriber

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    Not to Shabby there Goya!
     
  4. Kegger

    Kegger Anything can be S "MODed" Super Mod Subscriber

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    Same thing Goya said, no problem and no changes needed.
     
  5. Evan110185

    Evan110185 New Member

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    is there any reason why no one has done this yet? I guess no one wants to spend $200 in OTs for just a compactron?
     
  6. Kegger

    Kegger Anything can be S "MODed" Super Mod Subscriber

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    Yah that's pretty much it.

    If buying those there rated for a lot more power then this amp as well,
    kinda overkill, but in a good way, you could do/run parallel output tubes. :)
     
  7. philipng

    philipng New Member

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    Variable Pot required

    If I am not using a pre-amp, where do I add a variable resistor and what should be the value and rating?
     
  8. beofservice

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    Adding volume control

    There are a couple ways to do it. One simple way is to install a 100k audio taper pot between the input RCA jacks and the first section of the tube.

    I suggest you search the web for single ended amp schematics that use a volume pot to see how the volume control is wired. Note that the functionality does not just add resistance into the incoming signal, but rather shunts off some of the signal to ground.
     
  9. Kegger

    Kegger Anything can be S "MODed" Super Mod Subscriber

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    Yah the best way is with an, Audio Taper pot/volume control, like the Alps Blue Velvet or so.

    An the hookup would like the attached schem of the original amp, with now the pot installed.
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  10. donprice

    donprice Wound up workin' at a gas station.... Subscriber

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    My apologies in advance for only skimming the first and last few pages...

    Is this project suitable as a first electronics DIY project? I'm tube curious...

    No is a perfectly acceptable answer.

    Thanks,

    Don

    Edit - most of my DIY experience is with woodworking and limited speaker builds (indignia and multiple ewave variants). Limited soldering experience and no test equipment beyond speaker building stuff (multimeter, R-L-C meter, test mics). As an engineer I believe I can do about anything DIY...even if it costs twice as much and takes three times as long to do it.:D
     
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  11. Evan110185

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    This was my first major electronics project and it turned out great. I spent many hours studying this thread, the parts list, and the wiring diagram. Also spent some time studying electronics basics/safety, which was especially helpful after i got my first shock.
     
  12. bobrown14

    bobrown14 Super Member

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    Yes this is a good DIY project. Hardest part for me building from scratch is case building and wire layout. That said I enjoy it more than working with PCB boards. That's just me tho. I got started fixing/upgrading speakers so you're on a good track to take it to the next level.

    Go for it, you'll have plenty of help right here if/when you need it. No stupid questions. You need to get comfortable with high voltage, or should I say a healthy respect. I'm never totally comfortable with +300v. Bleeder resistors are your friends and one hand in the pocket after first power up.

    Cheers,
    Bob
     
  13. donprice

    donprice Wound up workin' at a gas station.... Subscriber

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    Thanks for the advice, guys. I'll keep it in mind. I have several other projects I need to finish first.
     
  14. HatchetJack

    HatchetJack Chillin' The Most

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    Moved question to another thread
     
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  15. whoaru99

    whoaru99 Epic Member

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    Possibly interested in making one of these for a dedicated headphone amp for Senn HD 580 cans (300 ohm impedance).

    Are questions about mods to this amp re. that end being taken here?
     
  16. Kegger

    Kegger Anything can be S "MODed" Super Mod Subscriber

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    Fire away, we'll answer what we can.. :)
     
  17. whoaru99

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    The two things I'm specifically wondering about are

    1. Changing OPTs for dedicated headphone use.

    Putting 300 ohms on an 8 ohm OPT will certainly change the impedance on the plates. IOW (maybe better stated as AFAIK) 5K load per the design would now be something on the order of 187K. Not good, presumably.

    So, was eyeing up the Edcor 15K / 600 OPT which I think would bring the plates back to 7.5K load using the 300 ohm cans.

    Is that the right approach?

    If so, what other components would need to be altered and what values might those be?

    2. In addition to above, if wanted triode mode what additional changes necessary? I can probably wade through the connections to do that, but if other component values need to change I don't know.
     
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  18. Toerau

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    Point to point

    I just came across this thread and thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm new to any type of amp building. I would like to try building this amp. My question is: are there any photos (besides page 66) that would give me a "point to point" look? Schematics are becoming easier for me, but I still would feel more confidant seeing a pictorial shot.
     
  19. beofservice

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    I've since taken mine apart so no pics. Even if I had some I'm not sure it would help. The pin numbers on the sockets are always hard to read in person let alone from a picture.

    Building an amplifier is all about unifying 2 documents - the schematic and the tube diagram (pin-out). On my very first amp here is what I did:

    Printed out the schematic and the tube pin-out diagram. Then I wrote pin numbers onto the schematic. Then I created a drawing using paper and colored pencils where I represented the tube sockets (with pins) and the other components spread out on a sheet of paper the size of the chassis I was planning to use. I drew in every resistor and capacitor, and decided on paper where I was going to put terminal connection strips, etc. After that I ordered the parts that I didn't have already and assembled the amplifier.

    If you are going to do a breadboard version first you do not need to be as organized nor plan ahead as much. Just get a piece of plywood or MDF and go at it. Either way, and obviously, you have to make sure you get the filament wires hooked up to the filament pins, the high voltage DC (B+) gets hooked up to the right pins, ground resistor hooked up to the right pins, etc. Not terribly difficult. If there is a volume control that can be a little tricky but nothing major. You can do it!
     
  20. Toerau

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    beofservice,
    thank you for your advice. I will advance using your layout suggestions. I can see how it will help me with the schematic.

    The parts list doubles everything except the tubes and power transformer. Is this because I will be mirroring this single channel? If so, why not double the tubes? I'm having trouble completely wrapping my head around everything.
     

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