Tick problem getting' more serious!

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  1. NH-MAN

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    yes you are correct, I personally do not suffer much from joint issues, which (I hope) is from trying to stay active as possible. alot of people with lyme are not very active. I am fifty and still very high strung and motivated as I was as a teen. I am also a single dad, have a large and complex yard I must maintain cause I am anal, 3 vehicles and a motor MC and boat to maintain and a dog lol.

    I push through but there is a fine line I cannot cross by doing to much as I found it will immediately set me back months in what every recovery I am experiencing at the moment. I wake up feeling like crap and go to bed feeling like crap. Years ago during a heavy snow storm and being exausted from clearing snow for hours at the end of the day sitting on the couch at night I realized I really didn't feel and worse than I did when i woke up. I have woked extremely demanding jobs in incredible heat for up to 18 hrs a day and you are not as near exhausted as what lyme does to you. Put it this way there is no worse exhaustion than lyme when i wake up except for when I am sicker. I cant get more tired but I can over do it and its not pretty. My body just wants to rest from the moment I wake up until I go to bed but as I said i am hyper and my brain and body fight all day as to what is going to happen at any given moment. sometimes my brain wins at 9 in the morning or sometime in the afternoon or evening but I usually win at some point and do what needs to be done.

    I am like three people now which sounds strange, but its true I am, my brain and its never-ending hyperness, my body which has its own Idea's, and finally me, which sits back and watches the battle waiting to see who wins at any given moment. It is really bizarre being a spectator.
     
  2. phantomrebel

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    The anti-inflammatory and detox is for your neurological and chronic fatigue symptoms, not just the joint pain. That's why I was wondering whether your doctor explored them with you. One issue with long term antibiotic treatment is that it reduces mitochondria in your cells. This leads to fatigue as well as that is where the energy (ATP) is made.
     
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  3. tubed

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    ^^^^^^^^^
    People with Lyme and getting treated with antibiotics are producing a lot of toxins and the body needs all the help it can get to eliminate them.
    As to exercise, it's all well and good as long as it's not overdone as to overtax the immune system that has its hands full.
    There are pro mitochondrial diets out there that help increase ATP energy that will in turn help fight the fight.
     
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    I just got off the phone with a UC Davis Lyme researcher who was of the opinion that the San Francisco area was the only vector zone in California, not SoCal although there are 1000's being treated for the disease there.
    Also that there's the possibility that a tick bite and ensuing rash does not mean Lyme is present, at least in my case here in my part of California.
    Perhaps she was referring to the single bacteria borrellia burgdorferi :dunno:
     
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    That's fine but I think having to spend $28.99 to buy or $9.99 to rent isn't going to spread the word as it would showing it full length on youtube.
    I do respect their choice, though.
     
  6. Quadman2

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    Phan, a point of clarification please. Would the "anti-inflammatory" drugs not be needed for the onset, but only as the disease manifests itself in a later stages (weeks/months), and would be necessary to combat the joint affliction?


    As a side note, I was surprised that only 70% to 80% of infected Lyme people show symptoms of being bit. That in itself is pretty scary!

    What I also found out that a normal non-Lyme tick bite may create a small red mound from a bite, but the Lyme critter usually creates the typical "bull's eye" pattern that can be up to 12" across which is not itchy, but warm to the touch.

    I guess what really worries me is the nymph stage of the tick which causes most of the havoc is but 2mm (head of a pin!) in size which is really difficult to see. On our Sheltie, it will almost be impossible to locate and to date have pulled three Dog Ticks from him.

    Finally, Keith Clay, a prof at Indiana University upset the "apple cart" as of late by declaring that there may be as many as three million infected Lyme cases this year as the manner of reporting is lacking in accurate format to reflect the true picture of this unfortunate situation.

    Is there a need of gov't intervention? You decide.


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  7. tubed

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    A government intervention to do what?
    Mandate staying out of the woods, wearing deet and maintaining a strong immune system?

    Not speaking for Phantom, I don't believe anti-inflammatory protocols include the use of "drugs".
     
  8. phantomrebel

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  9. phantomrebel

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    I'm not just talking about drugs and I'm not referring to the arthritic like symptoms. I'm talking specifically about the neurological effects. Everything from pain to depression to memory loss. And yes, later stages because it takes time for the toxic effects to manifest themselves.
     
  10. Quadman2

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    Personally, I'd like them to improve the way that recording the frequency of infections could be improved as it appears that this is not happening. A lot of the people dealing with this disease indicate the need to do this.

    Research should be underway for a remedy, serum, what ever might work other than to try to catch it on the onset and hope antibiotics work, and in time these will lose their effectiveness and the over use that is already being done today.

    From what others have indicated, even within this thread, many in the med field may lack the necessary background to determine if victims do indeed have this malady and perhaps catch up programs might be instigated.

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    If anything, firstly I'd lean toward a mandate that studies how to strengthen the immune system and promote it, make people stronger and more resilient to the pimpy little bacteria that somehow fucks us up.
    For instance, why did some people survive the Bubonic Plague, AIDS or any other maladies like being tick bitten and not contracting Lyme.
    Something in their DNA, perhaps a stronger immune system or ability to handle stress:dunno:
     
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  12. jami w.

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    Same here in new Hampshire Bowtie! Nasty lil fukers, i carry peppermint oil at all times when im outside. Poor lil on the tick, its hauling butt like its on fire!!!
     
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    Long time back, I wondered bout how some avoided dying in the "Black Plague" (Bubonic) and read that many bio types felt that it was a kind of Natural Selection that allowed some to live through it. The more hardy, better fed and fit were able to withstand this terrible infection period, coming out stronger and better after this. Historians felt that life was better for those who were left behind with lesser demand for food, higher wages, and increased living standards. Just shows to go ya, eh?

    I think the estimate was somewhere in the 50+ million who expired to this serial infection.

    Back around...2000 or so, a John Tull and his wife contracted the Bubonic, with him being more seriously infected. If memory serves me, he went into a pretty long coma, and in order to save his life, they had to amputate both his legs. The meds thought that bites from some fleas in on their ranch in New Mex were responsible for this infection.

    Sorry digress from the main intent of the thread, but thought to share these side thoughts that you evoked.

    Q
     
  14. phantomrebel

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    Not sure if this has been posted previously, but you can get any tick you find on you tested for $50. https://www.tickreport.com
     
  15. NH-MAN

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    No we have not, all I know about detoxing
    I have had this conversation with my doctor many times why this or that treatment works with some and not others he answer is always "everyone's immune system is different" Period. why is it that I rarely get colds or flu When most do? I can go years and years without getting sick yet I cant win over this? aswer this with certainty and you will be the richest man on earth. well maybe they do, you know what I mean
     
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  16. NH-MAN

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    All I know is I see people mess themselves up bad doing this stuff and it helps others (who from what I see could benefit and feel better if they ate an orange once in awhile) my doc and I keep a very strick eye on my levels.

    A point which people need to understand: you Should feel like crap taking antibiotics. Your body is working overtime which is why its important to keep all your blood levels top notch which we do constantly. if you do not feel crappier taking antibiotics they are not working period, its normal. I can always tell when they have run their coarse as I feel little better and you sort of flat line in recovery. we found if you keep taking them for at least two months after you are feeling better remission doesn't come back as quick and long term results are better. when we just stopped (the first few years) when I felt the antibiotics have done all they can (its somewhat obvious as you are feeling better but not getting any more better) and stop right there my remission came back full force in about three months. the previous 5-6 months now became wasted and we had to start all over again.
     
  17. phantomrebel

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    OK. Not second guessing your doctor; I was just curious how progressive current treatments were.
    Each infection runs it's own course and there are no easy answers it seems.
     
  18. NH-MAN

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    Its all good I didn't think you were. There are alot of therapy's people use including laser treatment. My doctor will totally admit different options work for some people as everyone's immune system is different.

    A big problem is when people get sick alot are unable to work and lose insurance (if they have anyone good to see if they could is a problem for many) then they cannot afford a doctor if there is one. Many people cannot get their blood tested every month or two and spend what money they have on all kinds of herbals and such which work for some but many are causing themselves problems with this also, as everyone immune system is differnt. I watch people on the lyme pages taking herbles that do this or that and some really mess themselves up as no one is monitoring what is going on for them. they take this to fix that, then that goes out of whack and they take a differnt this to fix that and they are constantly in a getting sick, feeling better cycle. some people go to herbal type doctors but they are being monitored which is different . many of these people cant take drugs and is their only option.

    Remember a vast majority of really sick people have no money, have terrible state Medicaid no insurance or crappy/ lack of doctors. I have to reiterate some things as its key to this topic so the layman can be informed

    Women can have alot of issues with antibiotics as they actually have a better (so my doc tells me) immune system then men and many get seriously ill from antibiotics and have no choice but to try alternate therapy. (they can really throw women's systems into a tizzy as it fights a little better than men). Some people can tolerate them but need help on the digestive side as it screws them up internally; which they can treat as they are not getting serious complications like others (men and women) by taking antibiotics. So I am not saying any other treatment or therapies dont work as I am assured by my doc some do for some people. I try very had to just say what I know and get from others; kind of like speaker cable HaHa. it all seems so individualized and like cable what works for some might not for others.
     
  19. phantomrebel

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    I had a theory that maybe antibiotics are the wrong way to go in the later stages. Rather, I was thinking probiotics. Let the good bugs outcompete the bad and naturally heal. Maybe some day. Our mitochondria are actually good bugs in a way (but much co-evolved).
     
  20. BMWCCA

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    My daughter takes several antibiotics and several probiotics, plus a regimen of alternating other drugs for co-infections which seem to always change.

    FWIW, I'm just completing two-weeks of Doxy after my last tick bite, third dose this year though one was the massive one-shot because I asked for help immediately. I've had no ill-effects from the Doxy and it knocked the Flu-like symptoms out of me within days the first time.
     
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