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Today's JAZZ playlist

Discussion in 'Music Forums' started by savv, Jan 28, 2006.

  1. jgannon

    jgannon AK Subscriber Subscriber

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    Well, I wouldn't lay that at Bird's feet. Yeah, I guess there were some, who erroneously thought that if they used, that would elevate their playing and they would become more like him. But I don't think we can blame the whole drug scene on Charlie Parker! Or just heroin. Of course, there were all different drugs around, and many musicians partook. I haven't read up on the experience of everyone, but it would seem that many, if not all, the people in Mal Waldron's circle, were into them, according to Waldron.
     
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  2. BillyBatts

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    I really treasure many of CJRT's programs. "Big Band with Glen Woodcock", "Dinner Jazz", and for sure "My Kind of Jazz with Jeff Healey".
    I would love a podcast of them. CJRT has the archives, but they don't share them anywhere on social media. No Youtube, no Mixcloud, nothing.
     
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  3. RhythmGJ

    RhythmGJ Pompous Blowhard Know-It-All Video-Posting Bore Subscriber

    I think lots of folks wanted to emulate Bird, but they didn't realize his genius wasn't manufactured in a lab, and it was all of that practicing he had done that created amazing facility, not wishes. He would have been _better_ straight, which is something to think about!

    Pops (Armstrong) was a pothead, he loved what he called "muggles." So I guess if we were looking to lay blame...

    GJ
     
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  4. RhythmGJ

    RhythmGJ Pompous Blowhard Know-It-All Video-Posting Bore Subscriber

    Now Playing: Pharaoh Sanders, "Deaf-Dumb-Blind"

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    GJ
     
  5. stoutblock

    stoutblock If it sounds good, it is good... Subscriber

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    John Coltrane - Blue Train

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  6. dmax99

    dmax99 Lookin' For Live

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    Bill Evans - Quintessence....
     
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  7. Old Guy8

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    The way ahead for FM broadcast radio may be cloudy. They may be holding on to thier aces, ones they have left.
     
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  8. jgannon

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    Yeah, I agree with you 100% on Bird. He was a virtuoso. His beautiful soul of course was a part of what he did, but he wouldn't have been able to play the way he did if he hadn't practiced and studied. Going a little off topic but somewhat pertinent, I get irked when someone attributes the great playing of a great musician only to talent. Sure, the talent is there, but you have to develop it.

    I didn't know Pops called pot, "muggles"! I remember him referring to it as "gage"...
     
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  9. dmax99

    dmax99 Lookin' For Live

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    Tommy Flanagan/Kenny Burrell - Beyond The Bluebird....
     
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    Duke Ellington. New Orleans Suite.
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    I'm a box set junkie, especially if done right with quality pressings, booklet and packaging. Mosaic has it down. One of my favorites.

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  12. E.Auer

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    Eric's tapping fingers...
     
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  13. RhythmGJ

    RhythmGJ Pompous Blowhard Know-It-All Video-Posting Bore Subscriber

    My understanding is that Bird was like Trane; almost never took the horn out of his mouth. I know Trane was constantly practicing.

    GJ
     
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  14. RhythmGJ

    RhythmGJ Pompous Blowhard Know-It-All Video-Posting Bore Subscriber

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    Count Basie - April in Paris

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  16. Jay Kay

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    I’ve been thinking about the whole drugs and jazz thing a lot lately as I read the Getz bio, A Life in Jazz. Many of my faves, Evans, Parker, Getz, even Coltrane and Davis for awhile, had heroin addictions. Can we assume that on many recordings, particularly early on, these guys were high? Parker and Getz often had a a lot of alcohol on board as well. How can you play like that? Like GJ I wonder too if their playing would have been better if they were straight. Don’t see how some of these masterpieces could have been better, but still I wonder. And they all seemed to have so many enablers around them, some of whom certainly didn’t want to upset their moneymakers. Deep and confusing topic.

    Actually, considering how many shows Parker missed or just couldn’t make it through, proves that he very often found the threshold.
     
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    Sean Dobbins and The Modern Jazz Messengers - Blue Horizons

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  19. Kingpin5

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    Paul Gonsalves was in that crowd, too. He played like a madman, many a show did he miss. Killed him at the same time as Duke, he was in his mid-50s(?). Read a story about him and Bird and a third person making in boats in Central Park, so if anyone came looking they could drop the goods into the water.
     
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  20. johnebravo

    johnebravo I should be practicing

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    There's an interview in which Parker said that there was a three year period where he practiced 11 to 14 hours a day; that's somewhere between 12,000 and 15,000 or more hours in just those three years. He practiced an incredible amount. For players who are spectacularly good, natural ability seems to be a minor factor compared to the capacity for relentless practice! I read a quote by Elvin Jones where he said when he started out he would practice 4-5 hours a day, and he thought he was hot shit at the time, but then he got really serious, and he would practice 8-10 hours a day or more. That's got to be a thoroughly exhausting endurance contest, doing that day in and day out. Kind of mind boggling, really.
     
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