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Todays Speakers vs Vintage Speakers

Discussion in 'Speakers' started by Mark Davis, Jun 16, 2018.

  1. z-adamson

    z-adamson Super Member

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    If I / we have it all wrong, then set it straight.

    Name brand new speakers that I can purchase today at a retail store for less than $1000 that will outperform the JBL L112.

    Name brand new speakers that I can purchase today at a retail store for less than $500 that will outperform JBL L110.
     

     

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  2. Audio Fan

    Audio Fan First Class, Second Hand Subscriber

    1967 Shelby Cobra - 0-60 in 6.5 sec --------- Price: Fair condition $111,000, Concours condition $252,000

    2018 Shelby Cobra - 0-60 in 4.3 sec --------- Price $54,000

    New cars surely have better performance, but you know you REALLY want to drive up in that '67 Shelby :thumbsup:
     
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  3. Drum

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    I forgot that cars and speakers are almost exactly the same thing.

    How about something else just as irrelevant.

    hammer 1967 - drives nails.
    hammer 2018 - drives nails.

    Not all items improve / mature at the same rate - if at all.;)
     
  4. musichal

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    Depends entirely upon who assesses the performance. Your opinion is clear, but that's all it is.
     
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  5. IPADave

    IPADave Which one's Pink? Subscriber

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    This thread is like the majority of the Equipment threads on AK. Two camps with opposite views that can't see across the chasm. Fortunately, there is a 3rd camp, although in small numbers. They are the ones trying to achieve good sound regardless if it's new or vintage. Chocolate! Peanut Butter!. I'll have a Reeses Peanut Butter Cup.

    -Dave
     
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  6. musichal

    musichal poet emeritus Subscriber

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    I have both new and vintage, and love both. Agree.
     
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  7. Alobar

    Alobar Pulling out of the Last Chance Texaco.. Subscriber

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    Vintage speakers often need work and tweaking to perform well. New speakers perform well right out of the box, if they are good.
    I am vintage for several reasons, but none are because of superior SQ to new.
     
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  8. z-adamson

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    If you were assessing performance what would your conclusion be?

    Considering I was talking to 3db, I though it was clear that his assessment was asked for.
     
  9. musichal

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    Then pardon me for interrupting. I missed that.

    My assessment would require a comparison, not conjecture.

    Now, before long I will be comparing my Klipsch Forte with my Monitor Audio Silver 6. Will begin a thread when I do; watch for it.
     
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  10. tubed

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    "Out of the box", I've heard that some manufacturers recommend 100+ hours of break in time, myth, ploy or reality;)
     
  11. Tom Bombadil

    Tom Bombadil AK Member Subscriber

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    I've owned a number of vintage speakers: Dynaco A25, Ohm H, JBL L26, more, and some new speakers. Certainly have listened to many new speakers. I favor new. I really like definition, soundstage/imaging, instrument separation and find, to my ears, that newer designs do these things better. More advanced materials and computer modeling yields some precise drivers / speakers. Older speakers have their strengths and I cannot fault anyone for liking them. In general I find paying the extra amount for a high quality new speaker is money well spent.
     
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  12. Colin Oddy

    Colin Oddy New Member

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    Hello room, Im a newbi and hope my enquiry is appropriately placed in this room.
    My nostalgia got the better of me and I have recently purchased a Sansui QRX5500 – a model I owned back in the 70’s-80’s.

    I’m not an audiophile so have little insight into what speakers I need. I now know the Sansui SP1700 (I still have) probably aren’t the best that I can do these days – and my wife would like less intrusive speakers in the lounge room.

    Here is a link to the unit description:
    https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_library/sansui/qrx-5500.shtml

    In the Service Manual under “Specifications” it lists; Audio Power Output:
    Music Power:
    220W (4 Ohm 1,000Hz)
    160W (8 Ohm 1,000Hz)

    Continuous Power: (each channel driven)
    45W/ch (4 Ohm 1,000Hz)
    30W/ch (8 Ohm 1,000Hz)

    Continuous Power (4 channels driven) (THIS IS WHAT I'D LIKE)
    25W X 4 (8 Ohm 1,000Hz)
    22W X 4 (8 Ohm 20 to 20,000Hz)

    Hopefully all that means more to you than it does to me, and if you can recommend appropriate speakers I’d very much appreciate that.

    Would Tannoy Mercury F4 or TDL Studio 5 speakers be appropriate for the QRX5500 Sansui Amp? Any others?

    kind regards and thanks in advance.
     
  13. Drum

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    You only want to use 8 ohm speakers if you are going to use 4. Probably want something fairly efficient with only 22 watts.

    I would probably say the Tannoy just because they are more efficient. Or you could go more vinatagy? :)
     
  14. BMWCCA

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    I can see all sides. Not to brag, but simply by way of setting the stage, I likely have more vintage speakers than any of you participating in this thread, save maybe a couple. That's over a dozen JBLs, an Infinity, Mordaunt Short, Mission, and a few others. At least two pair of JBLs have been in my home for over 35-years. I also have a couple of pairs of speakers that are just a few years old. They are not expensive but they are impressive. I believe you'd be quite surprised to hear the JBL LSR305 powered monitors A—B'd blind with an L110 or L112. And I love my L112s, L150A, L96, L1, L3, L5, L7, 4412A, 250ti, etc. But the LSR305 for $200 per pair, amps included, is a remarkable achievement. I happen to prefer them to the LSR308, but that may just be me. That's modern technology for you when a 5-inch woofer can make you think it's a 10, or 12-inch playing. Cheers!
     
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  15. Alobar

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    +1 for the LSR 305's . I liked the 305s so much I bought the 308's for my shop. I've had both playing side by side and I can hear very little difference. The 308's maybe just slightly deeper bass but it is slight. I think the spl can go a bit higher with the 308's which is good for the larger area in shop and I got them for almost the same price as the 305s. I like them both!
     
  16. 3db

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    Please show me the proof. Everything I found so far on the internet indicated a designer's intuition rather than modelling tools. I'm open to looking at this as I find speaker design fascinating. Dr. Flloyd Tool really broght speaker design and modelling into the 21 century with his work at the NRC.
     
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  17. Akustic

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    Just gotta poke the thread ay ..
    The EAR was the judge then and the EAR is the judge now ..
    Enjoy listening to your modeling tools ...
     
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  18. 3db

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    Its the result of extensive testing and modelling done on the speakers that I end up listening too, not the tool :crazy:
     
  19. 3db

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    Its your subjective assessment, not mine. And like I said before, I liked the JBL110s when I heard them but the little Energy 22s that came on the market a few years later totally blew away the JBLs in every category from bass, mids, highs and imaging. Those things rocked.
     
  20. tubed

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    Arnie Nudell and John Ulrich of Infinity were aerospace physicists and used computer tech to design speakers from the very beginnings of their company.
    From a Stereophile interview,
    "Nudell:
    Understand that, although I designed the first speakers in a condo in Beaver Creek, I had actually turned it into a laboratory. In fact, the living room was hilarious. I wish I had pictures of it. I had a computer, MLSSA, the dbx spectrum analyzer, and a custom switching system. I had state-of-the-art equipment for design."

    KEF boasts about it in many of their publications
    http://www.kef.com/uploads/files/THE_REFERENCE/REF_White_Paper_preview_path_200514.pdf

    As to Floyd Toole, his speaker design such as the TOTL 1993 Harman Kardon Model Sixty was a huge disappointment, really not a pleasurable listen.
    Probably at the time, speakers designs like this and a few others I heard were responsible for keeping my interest in "new" speakers at bay.
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