Why Doesnt Wharfedale and Goodmans get the Fame like Tannoy

Discussion in 'British Audio' started by Audioo, Dec 29, 2018.

  1. Audioo

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    Goodmans and Wharfedale were high quality yet always second fiddle to vintageTannoy in desireabilty and collectability
    Why is that?
     

     

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  2. thomo57

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    I love my Goodmans and will pick them up in a heart beat
     
  3. VanArn

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    It is more an issue of having to be of advanced years to remember the various models of high fidelity speakers from around the early fifties onwards, until the departure of the original manufacturers. Tannoy have outlasted their rivals and the non availability of spare parts is a valid reason why the Wharfedales and Goodmans do not command the same resale values. It is disheartening to view a repaired 12'' full range speaker such as an Axiom 22mK II when it has been fitted with a generic cone assembly and turned into a cheap sounding PA thingy. For serious collectors who appreciate the finer qualities of these vintage models, make sure that original cones and voice coils are fitted and fully intact especially the aluminium wire types. The usual warning applies to have the voice coils 'doped' , especially the Wharfedales ( Super 12 RS DD), to prevent the coil falling apart as a result of the cellulose cement failing. with age.
     
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  4. bbqjoe

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    Dammit!
    I'm forced to learn something new each day.
    I've refoamed speakers before, but what the hell is doping coils?
     
  5. VanArn

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    It is not a case of a silly type of repair or tweak. It is a reference to using model aeroplane dope to coat a voice coil winding to ensure it stays together. There are better products available today that do not suffer the shrinkage and temperature problem of the old cellulose based solutions.
     
  6. transmaster

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    If you look at the audio magazine of the 1960's into the early 1970's you find there is very little written about Wharfedale speakers in general. Wharfedale did not advertise much and the rule back at the time if you didn't advertise your speakers you were not reviewed this is especially true in Stereo Review magazine. The Julian Lab reviews were the holy of hollies at the time and so far I have only found reviews of the the W25, and W60E speaker. Both of those review were in magazine issues that had Wharfedale add's. Audio magazine was so far the only magazine that I have seen regular advertising by Wharfedale. Wharfedale, at the time, was a marque mainly marketed in the East Coast concentrating in New England. The only reason why I know about the Wharfedale there was a stereo shop in Key West Florida that sold Wharfedale speakers. I was in the US Navy at the time, stationed at the Naval Air Station in Key Largo. The reviews at the time are dominated by AR, Altec Lansing, EV, KLH, University, Fisher, Scott, etc. A lot of the problems with Wharfedale speakers today are caused by abuse by later owners. It does not take much in wattage to drive any of the Wharfedale Speakers even the gigantic W90 is happy as a clam with no more than 45 to 50 watts. They are wonderful on a 20 watt tube amp. Right now I am listing to a pair of W35's, which were purchased by me at that Stereo shop in Key West, Florida 46 years ago. Else where on this form I chronicled my refurbishment of these wonderful speakers.

    So many of the problems you see with Wharfedale speakers, and not just Warfedale in vintage speakers, is later owners abusing them them with to much power. An uneducated person looking at the gigantic W90 might think it needs a bunch of power to drive it and hit it up with 100 or more watts and wonder why it goes kablooey. The W90 is happy as a clam with a 20 Watt tube amp. Right now i am listening to my W35's they sound great with the 30 watts they are being driven with from the Dayton class "D" amp. If you don't have a nice tube amp to go with one of these vintage Wharfedales these Class "D" amp are a match made by Saint Vidicon himself.

    This difficulty of getting parts for these Wharfedales is frustrating. When one of my W35's was DC'ed by a failing Onkyo AVR it took me five years to find the needed BIC 8950 8" woofer. Since I returned these old friends to service I have accumulated spare drivers for it and my W45's. I believe in the 2nd catechism of Saint Vidicon: If 't be true thee hath'l a spare part the original wilt not fail.
     
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  7. Markoneswift

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    My huge Goodmans Magisters say ' shut up, Tannoy'

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  8. transmaster

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    My fantasy speaker is the Wharfedale Airedale.

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  9. KentTeffeteller

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    In the 1950's through around 1964, Wharfedale was advertised a lot in the USA HiFi magazines. British Industries Corporation also did an excellent job with marketing them in that era. Tannoy was and still is solidly represented in North America and always was.. Goodmans never really was very well marketed or sold in the USA. Also, Tannoy's Monitor series and HPD was seen and still seen as higher end today than either of the other two brands.
     
  10. maxhifi

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    I think it's because Tannoys have way better tweeters. The full range Goodmans speakers sound good, I have had a few of them, Triaxiom 212C (sold), Axiom 150 MKII, and Axiom 22 MKII. The second two sound better to me. Check out pricing on the Goodmans Axiom 80, if you think Goodmans has been overlooked. The thing is, I think the Tannoy dual concentric design just sounds better than any of the Goodmans coaxials I've heard - the Goodmans tweeters just aren't as smooth and transparent. As for Wharfedale, I think they sort of transitioned from a prestige product in the 50s, to a regular consumer product in the 70s, and it damaged their reputation amongst audiophiles. I have never owned Wharfedale, so can't comment on sound quality.
     

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